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Caring about the specific hours an employee is working rather than the quality of their output is something I hope dies along with mandatory physical presence i
by TameAntelope 6y ago
Caring about the specific hours an employee is working rather than the quality of their output is something I hope dies along with mandatory physical presence in an office.
- varjag 6y agoQuality of work is something people can argue about until they're blue in the face, but hours put are objective.
- ameister14 6y agoAre you honestly suggesting your managers are unable to assess minimum levels of quality in the work of your teams?
- zabzonk 6y agoObjective in the sense that someone sitting at a desk for 8 hours without moving a muscle has sat at a desk for 8 hours. But useful to the company employing them - not so much.
- varjag 6y agoThe GP writes: > Responses that are normally in minutes take hours etc.I have to now probe for updates etc. I think that's rather objective and affects teamwork/project cohesion.
- Viliam1234 6y ago> someone sitting at a desk for 8 hours without moving a muscle And this is also what will ruin your health in a few decades. ...which will then reduce your productivity. ...which will then get you fired. ...which will then make you lose your health insurance. ...which will then make you lose your savings to pay for all the healthcare bills. Luckily, none of this will be your employer's problem, because there is another person with healthy enough spine that can replace you at your desk.
- pdimitar 6y agoBut the results of the hours put aren't objective, so I don't get your point. I've known people who became masters at imitating work 8 hours a day.
- varjag 6y agoI don't see how them imitating 8 hour work a day in say 2 actual hours is any improvement.
- pdimitar 6y agoYou immediately assume people don't work which is not what I am seeing. Sure, some absolutely do, but you are making it look like everyone is more lazy in WFH conditions.
- varjag 6y agoI don't assume anything, just going by with your hypothetical 8-hour slacker.
- pdimitar 6y agoMy bad then, but I still disagree that hours put are an objective metric. Yeah, sure, 8h have passed <- this can be measured objectively, but it's basically the only thing that can be measured objectively in a work setting.
- mb7733 6y agoJust because something is easy to measure doesn't mean it's a valuable metric. You can make the same argument about LOC.
- Haunted_Cabbage 6y agoHours of asses in chairs isn't really a measurement of goals being meet. The quality of the time spent is what gets the goals met.
- varjag 6y agoSure, most employers would take 8 hours of quality work over 4 hours of quality work for the same salary.
- ameister14 6y agoMost employers aren't actually operating with efficiency as the main goal. Look at it this way: worker A makes 10 widgets an hour. In 8 hours, he makes 80 widets. worker B makes 20 widgets an hour. In 4 hours, he makes 80 widgets. Why should the employer care about which one works more hours?
- varjag 6y agoHow many widgets will worker B make in 8 hours? Also, how many widgets will worker A make in 4 hours?
- ameister14 6y agoworker B will make 80 widgets in 8 hours and be unhappy because he knows the employer expects 80 and he's not going to work harder for no reward. Worker A will make 40 widgets in 4 hours.
- varjag 6y agoLet's say worker B draws 2x salary of worker A, because he is known to be twice more experienced/skilled/productive.
- crocodiletears 6y ago
- cuddlybacon 6y agoThe post seemed to state both hours and output have dropped.