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(I'm replying to both rayiner and tptacek here.) I grew up in Maryland and have lived in Northern Virginia for many years so this conversation is a little weir
by 31cde6b92951440 6y ago
(I'm replying to both rayiner and tptacek here.)
I grew up in Maryland and have lived in Northern Virginia for many years so this conversation is a little weird to me.
The big drama in NoVA state politics at the moment is that the Republicans are trying to restrict the legislative session to the constitutionally-mandated 30 day length when waivers have been routinely granted for many years prior, because the Democrats gained full control of the state government in 2019 and the Republicans are trying to physically block them from getting things done in the allowed time. Not-so-coincidentally, 2019 was when Virginia finally implemented the ACA's Medicaid expansion. So at the moment the VA GOP doesn't look like the right choice if you want people who actively govern, or social services on par with a "second tier German city."
Also in 2019 there was a Democratic primary upset in Arlington after a fierce campaign where an established county prosecutor was kicked out by a more progressive candidate. This argues against machine politics in Virginia.
I'm not sure what a "good-governance Democrat" is, but I looked up Chuck Robb -- he was before my time in Virginia -- and among other things he voted to confirm Clarence Thomas to SCOTUS and was the only Democratic Senator to vote for the 1994 GOP "Contract with America." So it sounds like rayiner means "good-governance" as "siding with Republicans." If there's more to it than that then please let me know.
My own example of a "good-governance Republican" would be 2006 Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney when he signed the Massachusetts ACA-equivalent into law. But, he was tightly controlled by an overwhelmingly blue state legislature, called a RINO, and later got on board the GOP "repeal and replace" train when it became politically expedient to do so. I'm not sure why I'd vote for someone like that instead of a Democrat selling the same program. On the flip side there was Scott Brown (R) who won the special 2010 U.S. Senate election in Massachusetts and almost torpedoed the national ACA.
All the legitimate "laboratories of democracy" stuff is happening within the Democratic party. What experiments are running right now in GOP areas that make sense to continue? It seems to me that Republicans work toward different goals than Democrats, such as valuing the freedom to go without insurance, or expanding options for cars at the explicit expense of public transit, or increasing the number of assault rifles per capita. Are there any apples-to-apples comparisons of Republican vs Democratic policies that show the Republican policies as more effective achieving goals and using benchmarks that, say, a typical German citizen would consider reasonable?
There's also the issue now that the national Republican party has shown itself willing to lean hard on local Republicans to subvert elections. So for example the Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs (D) basically said no to all the stuff that Trump was trying to do and that was that, but over in Georgia her counterpart Brad Raffensperger (R) got roasted. If the election had really come down just to Georgia, well I don't know about you but I think Raffensperger would have "found the 11,780 votes," and even as things were, that second "audit"/recount is going to cost some taxpayers a lot of money. So until the national Republicans explicitly reject the recent anti-democratic stuff, I'd be careful about going out of your way to put Republicans into state-wide office.
- tptacek 6y agoI think I feel generally about the national Republican party (and about state Republican parties when they deal with nationalized issues, or issues of inter-party partisan conflict and of norms) the way you do, but, living in Illinois and being even a little bit politically conscious, it's hard to miss the problems that come from single-party states. The Illinois Democratic party is a mess, and their control over the state drives state Republicans to weird places.
- 31cde6b92951440 6y agorayiner implied Maryland is some kind of single-party Democratic hellscape, though I dispute his description of > Since 1969, we've had just two moderate Republican governors (who got elected to pump the breaks a bit on otherwise unbroken Democratic control). because the two Republican governors have been recent: after Glendening (D) from 1995-2003 there was Ehrlich (R), then O'Malley (D), and now Hogan (R). So I'd say it rather as Maryland voters have held the governor's party to account for over 25 years. It looks like Illinois has followed a similar pattern. Anyway I finished high school in Maryland before Glendening was out and it was almost embarrassingly good, though I didn't fully appreciate it at the time, despite my family being middle class at most. I don't remember any particular issues with other state-level public services. Some places have real challenges like parts of Baltimore and Prince George's County (near DC) and, I'm sure in different ways, the deeply rural areas out west and toward the Eastern Shore, but I don't see the state as some sort of self-evident cautionary tale of Democratic rule and I'd really like to hear what rayiner is basing that on. If you don't mind, could you summarize what you're unhappy with in Illinois? I know about Blagojevich, but other than that. Or just link to some long-form article if you have one handy.
- tptacek 6y agoI'd probably want to take more time to come up with a full answer to this question, which is "big". Also: I'm cautiously optimistic about Pritzker's administration, at least in terms of actually getting things done in the state. But examples of bad governance in Illinois would include: * Scandalous public pension liabilities * Patronage jobs at Metra run through speaker Madigan's office * ComEd being fined $200MM for a bribery scandal with Madigan's office * The financial debacle of the privatization of Chicago parking revenue Illinois is one of just 8 states with a flat state income tax, which is something that needs to change so we can get our financial house in order, but won't, because literally nobody trusts our state government. It's hard to lay the blame for that on anything other than the state Democratic party.