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They should totally invent a new port. USB-C is just too standard.

melling 6y ago
Lightning was released in 2012. It’ll be nine years old in September. USB-C was released in 2014 and adoption has been very slow, and the standard has had problems. Remember all the noise when they dropped the 32-pin connector for the much better Lightning? I’d like a wireless charging solution and no cable. Of course, I’d also like a global standard that plugs into the wall. USB-A into the wall and USB-C into the device?
- toast0 6y ago
  USB-C has almost entirely replaced USB-micro B on mid-high end phones. The other end of the cable is much harder to replace; there's so much stuff with a USB-A that going USB-C on that side doesn't seem worth it, unless you're deep into Apple. It would be very unApple, but they could keep a lightning port on one side, and add a USB-C port on the other and kill the lightning port later. Maybe not entirely unApple, they did go through a transition from firewire to usb on iPods with models supporting both for some time.
  - Tagbert 6y ago
    Apple’s recent phones come with cables with USB-C on the power end and Lightning on the phone end.
- totalZero 6y ago
  > USB-C was released in 2014 and adoption has been very slow, and the standard has had problems. USB-C adoption has been pretty steady and it's on many devices of various form factors. Apple put USB-C on MacBook in 2015. The Samsung Galaxy S8 came out in 2017 with USB-C. Even my uninterruptible power supply has a USB-C port. What problems has the standard had, in your estimation?
  - melling 6y ago
    The problems are well documented https://www.howtogeek.com/353410/3-problems-with-usb-c-you-need-to-know/ https://www.howtogeek.com/353410/3-problems-with-usb-c-you-n... https://www.dignited.com/28249/usb-c-top-5-issues-usb-c-connector/ https://www.dignited.com/28249/usb-c-top-5-issues-usb-c-conn...
    - totalZero 6y ago
      No offense but those are two garbage articles with no substance whatsoever and it's a joke to present them as "well documented" examples of setbacks for USB-C. The first link is just an ad for AmazonBasics. It complains about bad cables (not unique to USB-C), differences between USB 2 vs 3 (this is true for USB-A and Micro-USB as well, so again it's not unique to USB-C), and then cryptically says "Dongle Hell Is Real" as the third problem with USB-C before talking up the merits of AmazonBasics in the section titled "Your Best Bet is AmazonBasics Cables." The second link complains about cable quality (solution: buy better cables), missing USB-IF logos (not a functional problem and can also be solved by buying better cables), USB-C adoption (like that's some kind of product characteristic), inconsistent supported features (that's true of any standardized connector used for several different applications), and non-compliant cables. Of a total of eight complaints, four of them can be resolved by avoiding cheap-o cables, one of them is totally unrelated to the product's technical characteristics, two of them are true of all USB standards. That only leaves "Dongle Hell Is Real."
thebruce87m 6y ago
“USB-C” and “standard” don’t belong in the same sentence - I’m dreading the day when I have the “dp alt mode” discussion with my 76 year old mother. Lightning was a breath of fresh air in the days of the USB 3.0 Micro-B SuperSpeed plug.
- totalZero 6y ago
  > I’m dreading the day when I have the “dp alt mode” discussion with my 76 year old mother TB3 is built on native DP, so you probably won't ever need to have that conversation with her.

Lightning was released in 2012. It’ll be nine years old in September. USB-C was released in 2014 and adoption has been very slow, and the standard has had problems. Remember all the noise when they dropped the 32-pin connector for the much better Lightning? I’d like a wireless charging solution and no cable. Of course, I’d also like a global standard that plugs into the wall. USB-A into the wall and USB-C into the device?

toast0 6y ago
USB-C has almost entirely replaced USB-micro B on mid-high end phones. The other end of the cable is much harder to replace; there's so much stuff with a USB-A that going USB-C on that side doesn't seem worth it, unless you're deep into Apple. It would be very unApple, but they could keep a lightning port on one side, and add a USB-C port on the other and kill the lightning port later. Maybe not entirely unApple, they did go through a transition from firewire to usb on iPods with models supporting both for some time.
- Tagbert 6y ago
  Apple’s recent phones come with cables with USB-C on the power end and Lightning on the phone end.
totalZero 6y ago
> USB-C was released in 2014 and adoption has been very slow, and the standard has had problems. USB-C adoption has been pretty steady and it's on many devices of various form factors. Apple put USB-C on MacBook in 2015. The Samsung Galaxy S8 came out in 2017 with USB-C. Even my uninterruptible power supply has a USB-C port. What problems has the standard had, in your estimation?
- melling 6y ago
  The problems are well documented https://www.howtogeek.com/353410/3-problems-with-usb-c-you-need-to-know/ https://www.howtogeek.com/353410/3-problems-with-usb-c-you-n... https://www.dignited.com/28249/usb-c-top-5-issues-usb-c-connector/ https://www.dignited.com/28249/usb-c-top-5-issues-usb-c-conn...
  - totalZero 6y ago
    No offense but those are two garbage articles with no substance whatsoever and it's a joke to present them as "well documented" examples of setbacks for USB-C. The first link is just an ad for AmazonBasics. It complains about bad cables (not unique to USB-C), differences between USB 2 vs 3 (this is true for USB-A and Micro-USB as well, so again it's not unique to USB-C), and then cryptically says "Dongle Hell Is Real" as the third problem with USB-C before talking up the merits of AmazonBasics in the section titled "Your Best Bet is AmazonBasics Cables." The second link complains about cable quality (solution: buy better cables), missing USB-IF logos (not a functional problem and can also be solved by buying better cables), USB-C adoption (like that's some kind of product characteristic), inconsistent supported features (that's true of any standardized connector used for several different applications), and non-compliant cables. Of a total of eight complaints, four of them can be resolved by avoiding cheap-o cables, one of them is totally unrelated to the product's technical characteristics, two of them are true of all USB standards. That only leaves "Dongle Hell Is Real."

thebruce87m 6y ago

“USB-C” and “standard” don’t belong in the same sentence - I’m dreading the day when I have the “dp alt mode” discussion with my 76 year old mother. Lightning was a breath of fresh air in the days of the USB 3.0 Micro-B SuperSpeed plug.

totalZero 6y ago
> I’m dreading the day when I have the “dp alt mode” discussion with my 76 year old mother TB3 is built on native DP, so you probably won't ever need to have that conversation with her.