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Reminds me of the slow downfall of the Laguna Seca race track. https://jalopnik.com/the-absurd-community-fight-that-could-cripple-one-of-am-1736668909 https://

Reminds me of the slow downfall of the Laguna Seca race track. https://jalopnik.com/the-absurd-community-fight-that-could-cripple-one-of-am-1736668909 https://jalopnik.com/the-absurd-community-fight-that-could-c... Short version: People move in next to an established race track and learn they don't like the sound of race tracks. You'll be shocked at what happens next!

randompwd 6y ago
Are you being purposefully misleading? People moved in and then the race track tried to get noise restrictions from the 1950s changed to benefit them.(increasing no-muffler days(wtf?) and opening race course on sunday) From your linked propaganda piece: > restrictions on use set in the 1950s. I'd be heavily on side of people wanting a peaceful place to live than to cater to ignorant arseholes who don't want to use mufflers cos they like the sound it makes.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  Unfortunately, this often a necessity strategy in the US legal system, where you have to exercise your rights to maintain them. This could’ve been advised directly from their legal team. If you build a raceway with the expectation of being able to scale usage based on demand and need,End it appears that this is coming into jeopardy, they need to scale up sooner to establish president as more people move in. There is a similar problem with farm water usage where farmers are incentivized to waste water due to a use it or lose it legal situation
- JJMcJ 6y ago
  Big difference between race tracks, which are entertainment, and farming, which is where our food comes from.
- recursive 6y ago
  If your definition of a peaceful place to live includes not hearing a race track, I can think of a few better strategies than moving in next to a race track.
gambiting 6y ago
Race tracks usually have established noise limits though, at most tracks I've been to if your car is louder than X you will be kicked out. I don't know this specific case but race tracks specifically have noise regulations attached to them.
- rconti 6y ago
  At Laguna Seca, the limits come down with every passing year. There are very few 'unlimited' days (think: major race series), the number of limited days goes up, the dB limits for the limited days come down. If you want a laugh, do a Google Image search for "laguna pipes", to see the elaborate contraptions people bolt to the back of their track cars to redirect exhaust noise away from the sound meter to keep them from blowing sound. I've never had an issue, as the car I track is quiet and stock. But plenty of stock vehicles made in the past few decades are well past the limits already, and I feel the frustration of those who used to have a "legal" car, but keep getting tripped up by the lowering and lowering of sound limits. Overall, I simply cannot fathom those who are annoyed by the sound of the track. It's on a HUGE expanse of land. The complainers must be many hilltops away. I don't doubt the sound carries for many miles, but it's very much "background noise I choose to be angered by and whine about" versus actual nuisance.
  - AmericanChopper 6y ago
    Motorsports fans can be grateful that COTA (arguably one of the best circuits in North America) is in Texas. The only noise rules it has are no late night racing, and no racing during church time.
    - rconti 6y ago
      I guess it depends on if you're worried about having international series to watch on TV that happen to come to the US, or if you're interested in driving on the track yourself or spectating in person. For the latter two, obviously, having a track nearby is more important than the fact that it exists within the borders of their country. I was at COTA for the inaugural F1 race, and had a fantastic time, and also traveled there to see Aussie V8 Supercars there. That said, I'm not sure I'd want to drive the track in a street car. I've driven it in sims I'm not sure it's great at typical road car speeds.
rconti 6y ago
My first thought as well. Also, airports.
- wott 6y ago
  I present a combo case: airport + racing track :-) At the moment, in France, the racing track of Albi, the track of which runs around the airport track, is being sued and fined for the noise. The track exists since 1960, there were only a few farms around in those days. People built beside the circuit later (building only started slowly in the 80s), and now they complain. And even now they keep on building right there, packing each empty lot with new houses!
maccard 6y ago
While I agree the premise is silly, there is definitely more nuance in the (fascinating) article you shared. The one thibg stands out the most (and is only referenced once, compare to multiple times for their grievences) is that they're not looking to host one event a year on a Sunday, they want to allow racing 22 sunday's a year (out of 52). Given the track is closed for many months of the year, I'm guessing what they're really asking for is every week from April to september. Combined with the move from Tuesday to Thursday unmuffled for 20 weeks, it really means they want to change a race track which is a hobby track into a 4-day series for 5 months of the year.
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brudgers 6y ago
E-series events?

randompwd 6y ago

Are you being purposefully misleading? People moved in and then the race track tried to get noise restrictions from the 1950s changed to benefit them.(increasing no-muffler days(wtf?) and opening race course on sunday) From your linked propaganda piece: > restrictions on use set in the 1950s. I'd be heavily on side of people wanting a peaceful place to live than to cater to ignorant arseholes who don't want to use mufflers cos they like the sound it makes.

s1artibartfast 6y ago
Unfortunately, this often a necessity strategy in the US legal system, where you have to exercise your rights to maintain them. This could’ve been advised directly from their legal team. If you build a raceway with the expectation of being able to scale usage based on demand and need,End it appears that this is coming into jeopardy, they need to scale up sooner to establish president as more people move in. There is a similar problem with farm water usage where farmers are incentivized to waste water due to a use it or lose it legal situation
JJMcJ 6y ago
Big difference between race tracks, which are entertainment, and farming, which is where our food comes from.
recursive 6y ago
If your definition of a peaceful place to live includes not hearing a race track, I can think of a few better strategies than moving in next to a race track.

gambiting 6y ago

Race tracks usually have established noise limits though, at most tracks I've been to if your car is louder than X you will be kicked out. I don't know this specific case but race tracks specifically have noise regulations attached to them.

rconti 6y ago
At Laguna Seca, the limits come down with every passing year. There are very few 'unlimited' days (think: major race series), the number of limited days goes up, the dB limits for the limited days come down. If you want a laugh, do a Google Image search for "laguna pipes", to see the elaborate contraptions people bolt to the back of their track cars to redirect exhaust noise away from the sound meter to keep them from blowing sound. I've never had an issue, as the car I track is quiet and stock. But plenty of stock vehicles made in the past few decades are well past the limits already, and I feel the frustration of those who used to have a "legal" car, but keep getting tripped up by the lowering and lowering of sound limits. Overall, I simply cannot fathom those who are annoyed by the sound of the track. It's on a HUGE expanse of land. The complainers must be many hilltops away. I don't doubt the sound carries for many miles, but it's very much "background noise I choose to be angered by and whine about" versus actual nuisance.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  Motorsports fans can be grateful that COTA (arguably one of the best circuits in North America) is in Texas. The only noise rules it has are no late night racing, and no racing during church time.
  - rconti 6y ago
    I guess it depends on if you're worried about having international series to watch on TV that happen to come to the US, or if you're interested in driving on the track yourself or spectating in person. For the latter two, obviously, having a track nearby is more important than the fact that it exists within the borders of their country. I was at COTA for the inaugural F1 race, and had a fantastic time, and also traveled there to see Aussie V8 Supercars there. That said, I'm not sure I'd want to drive the track in a street car. I've driven it in sims I'm not sure it's great at typical road car speeds.

rconti 6y ago

My first thought as well. Also, airports.

wott 6y ago
I present a combo case: airport + racing track :-) At the moment, in France, the racing track of Albi, the track of which runs around the airport track, is being sued and fined for the noise. The track exists since 1960, there were only a few farms around in those days. People built beside the circuit later (building only started slowly in the 80s), and now they complain. And even now they keep on building right there, packing each empty lot with new houses!

maccard 6y ago

While I agree the premise is silly, there is definitely more nuance in the (fascinating) article you shared. The one thibg stands out the most (and is only referenced once, compare to multiple times for their grievences) is that they're not looking to host one event a year on a Sunday, they want to allow racing 22 sunday's a year (out of 52). Given the track is closed for many months of the year, I'm guessing what they're really asking for is every week from April to september. Combined with the move from Tuesday to Thursday unmuffled for 20 weeks, it really means they want to change a race track which is a hobby track into a 4-day series for 5 months of the year.

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brudgers 6y ago

E-series events?