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> then proceeded to sue for noise Oh that’s going to go over well. Some people in my neighborhood tried suing and now we have every train blowing their horns t

> then proceeded to sue for noise Oh that’s going to go over well. Some people in my neighborhood tried suing and now we have every train blowing their horns through this entire section of the city. A dozen times a day and many of those at night. It’s hard for me to not laugh at my neighbors every time it happens.

lisper 6y ago
Unfortunately, the same thing also happens around small airports, and there the NIMBYs-come-lately often prevail. https://www.bjtonline.com/business-jet-news/runway-removal-to-commence-in-santa-monica https://www.bjtonline.com/business-jet-news/runway-removal-t...
- Symbiote 6y ago
  The opposite also happens: the approach to London Heathrow gives wonderful views over London, but at least a million people suffer from more-or-less constant aircraft noise and pollution, except for a few hours overnight. Further expansion was approved in 2018, when one of the local MPs — Boris Johnson, who had promised to "lie down in front of bulldozers" to prevent expansion — was conveniently on a trip abroad during the vote it Parliament. (The areas of London overflown are a mix of wealthy, average and poor-ish, left-voting and right-voting, it's far too large an area to wave away as X group of people complaining.)
  - JJMcJ 6y ago
    In Bay Area, every time approaches to our three busy airports are changed there is a lot of bellyaching, mostly from rich areas like Saratoga and Woodside. Usually summarized by "Why don't you fly over those places were poor people live?" Made worse because well off areas tend to be in the hills, and so planes are lower over the ground.
    - dmckeon 6y ago
      Much of the recent complaining is due to concentration of near-ground routes as a side-effect of the NextGen routing system. http://soseastbay.org/jet-noise-in-a-nutshell-nexgen/ http://soseastbay.org/jet-noise-in-a-nutshell-nexgen/ https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/faqs/ https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/faqs/
      - therockspush 6y ago
        The sad part is NextGen was supposed to allow planes to approach at higher altitudes and descend with engines idled to reduce noise.
  - Veen 6y ago
    The Government won that vote with a majority of nearly 300. Johnson’s absence didn’t make the slightest difference to the outcome.
kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
I have a commuter line next to me with a station 1000 ft. away. The early morning trains mute their horns and it's not very noticeable. With freight, I wouldn't expect them to bother but the FRA does allow for quiet trains.
- kayodelycaon 6y ago
  I'm 240 ft from a freight line. :)

lisper 6y ago

Unfortunately, the same thing also happens around small airports, and there the NIMBYs-come-lately often prevail. https://www.bjtonline.com/business-jet-news/runway-removal-to-commence-in-santa-monica https://www.bjtonline.com/business-jet-news/runway-removal-t...

Symbiote 6y ago
The opposite also happens: the approach to London Heathrow gives wonderful views over London, but at least a million people suffer from more-or-less constant aircraft noise and pollution, except for a few hours overnight. Further expansion was approved in 2018, when one of the local MPs — Boris Johnson, who had promised to "lie down in front of bulldozers" to prevent expansion — was conveniently on a trip abroad during the vote it Parliament. (The areas of London overflown are a mix of wealthy, average and poor-ish, left-voting and right-voting, it's far too large an area to wave away as X group of people complaining.)
- JJMcJ 6y ago
  In Bay Area, every time approaches to our three busy airports are changed there is a lot of bellyaching, mostly from rich areas like Saratoga and Woodside. Usually summarized by "Why don't you fly over those places were poor people live?" Made worse because well off areas tend to be in the hills, and so planes are lower over the ground.
  - dmckeon 6y ago
    Much of the recent complaining is due to concentration of near-ground routes as a side-effect of the NextGen routing system. http://soseastbay.org/jet-noise-in-a-nutshell-nexgen/ http://soseastbay.org/jet-noise-in-a-nutshell-nexgen/ https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/faqs/ https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/faqs/
    - therockspush 6y ago
      The sad part is NextGen was supposed to allow planes to approach at higher altitudes and descend with engines idled to reduce noise.
- Veen 6y ago
  The Government won that vote with a majority of nearly 300. Johnson’s absence didn’t make the slightest difference to the outcome.

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago

I have a commuter line next to me with a station 1000 ft. away. The early morning trains mute their horns and it's not very noticeable. With freight, I wouldn't expect them to bother but the FRA does allow for quiet trains.

kayodelycaon 6y ago
I'm 240 ft from a freight line. :)