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I dislike the direction for society you are proposing. Each bad actor should absolutely know how and why they are identified as a bad actor. How else could they
by A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
I dislike the direction for society you are proposing. Each bad actor should absolutely know how and why they are identified as a bad actor. How else could they possibly even attempt to defend themselves as not bad actors. The same kind of idiocy is allowed in banks now under the guise of BSA. The only difference is, banks typically face much harder restrictions and are actually heavily regulated. For that reason, I believe the parent's post makes more sense than a blanket 'it is too hard for us to do it'.
In short, you are proposing that we penalize good actors for actions of bad actors for no other reason that it creates inconvenience for a platform. That is not acceptable.
- jccooper 6y agoWell, the good actors misclassified as bad actors should be told, so they can fix it. The bad actors should be told nothing, because that only helps them become more effective bad actors. How you differentiate, I dunno. That's the problem.
- my123 6y agoYou suppose that a bad actor at one point will always stay a bad actor in the future.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y agoI am not certain this is the actual problem though. It is not about misclassification. It is about the underlying system. Would you argue that a person accused of crime X should be told nothing about the nature of their transgression? To me it sounds very problematic.
- feanaro 6y agoAnd how do you propose to unilaterally and absolutely define what a "bad actor" is?
- Bedgeseb 6y agoYou'd fit in perfectly in an oppressive nazi or communist regime.
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- alpaca128 6y agoHow exactly does it help when Facebook tells a bad actor what part of the publicly available guidelines were violated? Why can't Facebook just have a hotline/chat that can verify a user's identity and tell them more, preferrable in less than 5 months of spamming their email? And in the case of a permanent ban the user should at least be able to download all their account data; this feature is already implemented for compliance with GDPR anyway and the online platform wouldn't lose anything by at least not making pictures etc. inaccessible forever.
- dogma1138 6y agoWould you be willing to live in society that has a legal system that works like this?
- qwerty456127 6y agoSome times you might have done/said something bad according to the context of a particular culture or rules of a particular platform (and even inflicted some actual harm or danger on somebody this way) but have no idea what, even after re-reading the rules. I have been banned from a couple of forums/groups and I really have no clue about what might be the reasons but I don't insist there were none.