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All cells phones, at all times, are tracked everywhere. I'm sure there are 1000's of cameras that are also used to capture visual data (in DC area). Every perso
by hourislate 6y ago
All cells phones, at all times, are tracked everywhere. I'm sure there are 1000's of cameras that are also used to capture visual data (in DC area). Every person flying (domestic/international) is already tracked. MC/VISA/Bank/ATM records are tracked. Every txt, post, voice call, letter you send, package you receive, is tracked (OCR's). Your vehicle is tracked via programs like Onstar, etc, even if you don't sign up for the service.
People are waiting for the day when you have zero privacy and anonymity. It's already here. Everyone should assume they can or are being tracked all the time.
- trident5000 6y agoPutting my tin foil hat on real quick. Just wait until they implement AI into all these sensors to "predict crimes", turning life into Minority Report. The interesting part is its the common people who will naively go along with it to feel more safe while at the same time further imprisoning themselves.
- syshum 6y agoThe TV Show Person of Interest's "Samaritan" AI, is how I see reality to be when we get general purpose AI for police use. There will be no "good AI" (aka "The Machine" in the show) to combat it.
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- trident5000 6y agoThis is kind of what Musk has been constantly warning about. Also important in another scenario is that legislators, police heads, and civilians simply have no idea how task specific AI (rather than general purpose) that governs them works so its a tiny unelected shadow club mass governing people.
- nbzso 6y agoMusk is embodiment of 'Hegelian Dialectic' in action. Tesla is normalising surveillance, Space X and StarLink are building the network capabilities of the future AI and Neural Link is the end point of human connection. What a hero, a real Tony Stark for the masses:)
- bogomipz 6y agoPredictive Policing is already a thing. It was in use for a decade by the LAPD in the US. See: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-precision-policing-data-20190703-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-precision-pol... and https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-21/lapd-ends-predictive-policing-program https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-21/lapd-end...
- curiousllama 6y agoThey've been doing this for years. Chicago has a list of everyone that will get shot (or shoot someone) over the next year or so. It's like 2k people with 90%+ recall. St Louis has something similar. But it hasn't exactly stopped crime. Sci Fi is fun, but crime is a social phenomenon of the type that tech is deeply unsuited to actually solve. Privacy is a legit consideration in the short and long term, but AI taking over isn't really.
- stretchcat 6y agoHow does this work for people on these lists? If Chicago PD thinks I'll be shot, do they warn me?
- curiousllama 6y agoIf you’re on the list, you know. You’re part of a gang (or clique, as they’re apparently called now), probably beefing with another, and almost definitely carrying a gun on you for protection. You’re well aware. The city has tried various interventions - social workers, police visits, calling the kid’s school/parents (a lot of the people aren’t 18) - but the things that work are the same as always: social support plus significant police presence in the neighborhood. Which leads me back to my original point... they recently stopped maintaining the list IIRC because it just doesn’t provide any actionable info beyond what we already have.
- superkuh 6y agoJust don't use services that track you. It's possible to live a fairly normal life despite all this. I do it. Don't carry a cell phone, turn off javascript everywhere, use a non-onstar/etc car, don't fly commercially, use cash for in person transactions and bitcoin (or monero) online where you can. All that said, I'm not planning on trying to overthrow the government or anything stupid. I just don't like being spied on. I'm glad these treasonous idiots carried their ankle bracelets (cell phones) while they committed their crimes. I'm not too surprised at the spatial resolution that basestation multi-lateration gave either. The low noise and synchronization of clocks in modern cell phone basestations are getting really good. GPS is not required.
- Santosh83 6y agoNo. At this point you become a standout anomaly, or you will become one, in the not too distant future. The progress of society is becoming increasingly collective. Individual choices are becoming less important. I'm not saying we're there yet, but already we're at a point where meaningful societal change needs at least a considerable group of people all acting together, and even then, fundamental changes have been taken out of people's hands altogether, unless "we" are prepared to go to extremes, which is simply not a characteristic of large groups, unless the situation has deteriorated severely, but be sure, our overlords will keep us minimally complacent enough. /rant
- superkuh 6y agoSure. You stand out because they can't spy on you. The point isn't to hide. The point is to not be spied upon. I see this as a win.
- bloopernova 6y agoThe point about cameras blanketing DC reminded me: Do we know if there are any security cameras in the US Capitol building? Were they all working? Has the footage from the insurrection attempt been saved? I ask because the capitol seems like one of those places that would resist internal security cameras because congresspersons wouldn't want their meetings potentially being recorded. Plus the general incompetence of security leadership before and on that day makes me wonder if any cameras were actually in working order and saving footage.
- Cd00d 6y ago-> the insurrection attempt That's wording that made me think, and I had to actually look up the definition of insurrection. I think it was complete insurrection, not a just an attempt at it. But, maybe there's a legal definition or duration of success matters?
- reddog 6y agoAdd license plate scanners and high resolution police/military drones to that list.
- 01100011 6y agoYeah but the funny thing is that these surveillance networks never actually seem to be used to solve normal crimes. Is it laziness on the part of the police? Are they trying to reserve these systems for more serious crimes so we forget they exist? Is it just a matter of time before police culture catches up and we see license plate readers, cell phone records, CCTV networks, etc used to track down petty thieves and robbers? Last year the police were begging for help to solve some of the gun store robberies that happened during the BLM unrest. Why did they need the public's help? They could have checked cell phone records, stitched together traffic camera video, and likely tracked down the suspects within weeks. I think the most likely scenario is that we gave all these tools to create a surveillance state, but the bureaucracy is too lazy to use them.
- swader999 6y agoShould be feasible to track all contacts for covid cases through existing intelligence infrastructure. But we don't.
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- papa_reton 6y agoDidn't you hear of Snowden's revelations? NSA has full access such data. The police does not. The police cares about murders and bank robberies. NSA does not.
- sneak 6y agohttps://www.hrw.org/news/2018/01/09/us-secret-evidence-erodes-fair-trial-rights https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/01/09/us-secret-evidence-erode... The data is already being used by domestic law enforcement in a technique called parallel construction.
- adventurer 6y agoThe police and other areas of the government who apparently doesn't have direct access to the NSA data just buys it from brokers anyway. https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/22/22244848/us-intelligence-memo-admits-buying-smartphone-location-data https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/22/22244848/us-intelligence-...
- loteck 6y agoI'm always puzzled by posts like this. What is your purpose in posting this kind of extreme message claiming privacy is dead? Do you want people to give up on privacy and surrender themselves? Or, do you want people to be inspired to fight for more privacy? I would like to know what you intend for me as the reader to take away from this message, if you wouldn't mind clarifying.
- zaroth 6y agoWhy should OP draw the conclusion for you? Everything they’ve said is most certainly true. You can decide what you want to do about it. For me, it makes the “going dark” claims that the FBI likes to drum up about encryption particularly ridiculous.
- hourislate 6y agoMy intention for the reader is to make them aware. What they decide to do is their choice.
- dcolkitt 6y agoAnd yet, violent crime this year is at a multi-decade high[1]. It's one thing to suffer the indignity of a surveillance, but it's quite another when the surveillance doesn't even deliver its purported benefits. [1] https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-year/ https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-...
- sosborn 6y agoWell, realistically, it isn’t about preventing crime, it’s about catching criminals. (I’m not a fan of all this)
- valvar 6y agoIsn't catching criminals a pretty good way to prevent crime?
- kaishiro 6y agoNot particularly, no. The nature of having caught a "criminal" means the crime has already occurred. Crime prevention is less a cause of justice and more a cause of social work.
- valvar 6y agoI would imagine that past offences correlate quite strongly with a proclivity for future offences. Hence reformation and/or incarceration should reduce the number of opportunities for repeated offence.
- kaishiro 6y agoFor an individual, yes. However criminality is not a finite resource. You can't lock up everybody.
- LatteLazy 6y agoNo one said the surveillance was meant to stop poors stabbing each other. Its for protecting assets and securing power.
- alain_gilbert 6y agoAnd yet, the DMV cannot have access to a I94 form even if they already have all the information. And they also need me to print it so that they can scan it back in their computer system ! What a world we live in.
- ianhawes 6y agoThat is a function of funding. The DMV isn’t well funded but we’ll pay 8 and 9 figure contracts to domestic intelligence agencies.
- dehrmann 6y agoYeah; on one hand, we're tracked everywhere. On the other, since the systems are so disparate, it takes a lot of leg work to put the data together, even without a warrant. It's better than nothing.
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- gvd 6y agoAccuracy is generally not great compared to gps. When towers are more dense accuracy is increased. However, an LTE phone generally pings a tower every few minutes on average so you can track people pretty well. Telecom operators have tools (generally 3rd party) that indexes and geolocate this log data from the towers in order to solve network issues. It can obviously also be used for law enforcement purposes but probably require a warrant