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I know that Patreon had these “members only” posts, and it’s pretty meh. Maybe it’s due to the projects I’m sponsoring, but I always had a feeling of “if you’re

I know that Patreon had these “members only” posts, and it’s pretty meh. Maybe it’s due to the projects I’m sponsoring, but I always had a feeling of “if you’re writing these posts just for us, please don’t bother and just enjoy writing code”. And just to make sure this is not interpreted incorrectly, I mean this in a positive way, I don’t want to be catered to, I want to ensure the survival of the project in the long term.

toxik 6y ago
Wasn't Patreon involved in some scandal regarding censorship of uncomfortable people or something? Edit: It was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patreon#Bans_of_specific_users https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patreon#Bans_of_specific_users
- emteycz 6y ago
  Wasn't that because of their payment processors? What are you supposed to do when your supplier doesn't allow that type of content?
  - toxik 6y ago
    I think if you read the Wikipedia link you will find that it was not because of their payment processor, as far as I can tell.
- Haunted_Cabbage 6y ago
  I think the term uncomfortable people is a flippant and trivial term when it comes to the details listed in that link.
  - toxik 6y ago
    You do not have to agree with a person's opinions to see the value in defending their right to express them. I would pre-empt a discussion on whether or not Patreon has exhibited political bias in its bans. Instead, consider that Sam Harris also believes this. Is Sam Harris somehow also an alt-right taboo character? Surely not.
    - geofft 6y ago
      To be clear - are you talking about this section or also including the following one (the crackdown on sex workers)? As far as I know, Sam Harris has defended the right of Lauren Southern to express herself on Patreon by raising funds to attack ships in the Mediterranean, but has not defended the rights of sex workers to express themselves on Patreon by posting "NSFW" (a misnomer, because Patreon is not usually a workplace tool) content. So I'm not sure if Sam Harris is an alt-right taboo character, but I would claim that he is politically biased in what sort of speech rights he defends.
      - toxik 6y ago
        I sense you're making a false equivalence between explicit photographic material and political opinions. I think it is all right to remove sexual content, if that is your desire as a platform. It's a very different can of worms from political censorship. As for Sam Harris, I have not heard him speak one way or the other on the topic. I think your argument sounds like attacking somebody critical to China because they were not critical over your favorite issue.
        throwawaygh 6y ago
        “Naked human bodies unacceptable making sure human bodies drown to death acceptable” seems like a rather odd line.
        kleer001 6y ago
        Nope, not that at all. That would be putting words into someone's mouth. Harris has made no comment on Sex Work/ers, nakedness, or the like. Running a quick ddg search returns: No results found for site:samharris.com sex
        kleer001 6y ago
        Though, if anyone can quote him to the contrary, I'm happy to hear it and change my mind.
- Kaze404 6y ago
  Lauren Southern is a nazi.
nicoburns 6y ago
> Maybe it’s due to the projects I’m sponsoring, but I always had a feeling of “if you’re writing these posts just for us, please don’t bother and just enjoy writing code”. Note that Patreon isn't just for code. These posts make way more sense where your funding a blogger, podcaster or similar.
u678u 6y ago
I have that problem with a lot of charities, they send junk mail and sometimes personalized emails. Stop wasting your time.
hanniabu 6y ago
Agreed, but a middle balance could be met, such as the ability to vote on feature and bug fix priorities. You get the benefit of having a say in something that was already going to be worked on and the developer doesn't need to waste time on stuff that doesn't matter. All it would do is shuffle the order.
austincheney 6y ago
The distinction is audience context. Patreon is a sponsor focused audience. Everything else is just informational and of declining value to the code authors. Github is the opposite. That distinction is so important to the people writing the code. People make all kinds of requests like the sky is falling in. Sometimes there is chest thumping or big tears about how their concern is more important than everything else even if it is a major distraction and irrelevant to the road map. Unfortunately, that sort of stupidity amplifies as projects become more popular. I guess I am fortunate in that case since I am a nobody. If people want to cut to the front of the line and dictate the importance of their concerns they can do so in a sponsor-only channel prioritized by money pledged. I am a huge fan of that.

toxik 6y ago

Wasn't Patreon involved in some scandal regarding censorship of uncomfortable people or something? Edit: It was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patreon#Bans_of_specific_users https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patreon#Bans_of_specific_users

emteycz 6y ago
Wasn't that because of their payment processors? What are you supposed to do when your supplier doesn't allow that type of content?
- toxik 6y ago
  I think if you read the Wikipedia link you will find that it was not because of their payment processor, as far as I can tell.
Haunted_Cabbage 6y ago
I think the term uncomfortable people is a flippant and trivial term when it comes to the details listed in that link.
- toxik 6y ago
  You do not have to agree with a person's opinions to see the value in defending their right to express them. I would pre-empt a discussion on whether or not Patreon has exhibited political bias in its bans. Instead, consider that Sam Harris also believes this. Is Sam Harris somehow also an alt-right taboo character? Surely not.
  - geofft 6y ago
    To be clear - are you talking about this section or also including the following one (the crackdown on sex workers)? As far as I know, Sam Harris has defended the right of Lauren Southern to express herself on Patreon by raising funds to attack ships in the Mediterranean, but has not defended the rights of sex workers to express themselves on Patreon by posting "NSFW" (a misnomer, because Patreon is not usually a workplace tool) content. So I'm not sure if Sam Harris is an alt-right taboo character, but I would claim that he is politically biased in what sort of speech rights he defends.
    - toxik 6y ago
      I sense you're making a false equivalence between explicit photographic material and political opinions. I think it is all right to remove sexual content, if that is your desire as a platform. It's a very different can of worms from political censorship. As for Sam Harris, I have not heard him speak one way or the other on the topic. I think your argument sounds like attacking somebody critical to China because they were not critical over your favorite issue.
      - throwawaygh 6y ago
        “Naked human bodies unacceptable making sure human bodies drown to death acceptable” seems like a rather odd line.
        kleer001 6y ago
        Nope, not that at all. That would be putting words into someone's mouth. Harris has made no comment on Sex Work/ers, nakedness, or the like. Running a quick ddg search returns: No results found for site:samharris.com sex
        kleer001 6y ago
        Though, if anyone can quote him to the contrary, I'm happy to hear it and change my mind.
Kaze404 6y ago
Lauren Southern is a nazi.

nicoburns 6y ago

> Maybe it’s due to the projects I’m sponsoring, but I always had a feeling of “if you’re writing these posts just for us, please don’t bother and just enjoy writing code”. Note that Patreon isn't just for code. These posts make way more sense where your funding a blogger, podcaster or similar.

u678u 6y ago

I have that problem with a lot of charities, they send junk mail and sometimes personalized emails. Stop wasting your time.

hanniabu 6y ago

Agreed, but a middle balance could be met, such as the ability to vote on feature and bug fix priorities. You get the benefit of having a say in something that was already going to be worked on and the developer doesn't need to waste time on stuff that doesn't matter. All it would do is shuffle the order.

austincheney 6y ago

The distinction is audience context. Patreon is a sponsor focused audience. Everything else is just informational and of declining value to the code authors. Github is the opposite. That distinction is so important to the people writing the code. People make all kinds of requests like the sky is falling in. Sometimes there is chest thumping or big tears about how their concern is more important than everything else even if it is a major distraction and irrelevant to the road map. Unfortunately, that sort of stupidity amplifies as projects become more popular. I guess I am fortunate in that case since I am a nobody. If people want to cut to the front of the line and dictate the importance of their concerns they can do so in a sponsor-only channel prioritized by money pledged. I am a huge fan of that.