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> If communism produces goods and services cheaper than the free market, we'd be awash in Soviet goods. Which we aren't, because they're undercut by Chinese go
by mdiesel 6y ago
> If communism produces goods and services cheaper than the free market, we'd be awash in Soviet goods.
Which we aren't, because they're undercut by Chinese goods...
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoNo. Communism and planned economy are not capable of producing consumer goods. Source: I actually lived in the USSR.
- edgyquant 6y agoAnecdotal evidence isn’t evidence. They’re capable, what they lack(ed) is the creativity to do so.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoYou mean my whole youth lived around Soviet-made goods is an 'anecdotal evidence'? Well, perhaps I should have tried living in those fantasy Soviet Unions some people on the internet love so much. Those must have been magnificent states!
- sudosysgen 6y agoWell, it does remain anecdotal evidence. The point of the above commenter is that while they could be made the lack of creativity in planned economies lead to them not being made, not that there were made.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoYou talk about planned economy shows that you learned about it from third-party sources. There was an abundance of creativity, it just wasn't aimed at creating consumer goods, because they just could not be made in the planned economy at all.
- sudosysgen 6y agoThat might very well be true, I'm just trying to iron-man their argument. Do you have some sources about that and why that is?
- edgyquant 6y agoYes what you present is anecdotal evidence. Also nobody is saying they like the Soviet Union that is an idiotic strawman. My point is that they could be made but the USSR wasn’t gearing its economy towards consumer goods because it was a military state who cared almost entirely about heavy industry to benefit its military industrial complex and competition with the US.
- WalterBright 6y agoThe US free economy produced a better military and plenty of high quality consumer goods.
- edgyquant 6y agoI’m not arguing the US isn’t a better system. I’m saying had the USSR decided to allocate its resources towards consumer goods, it’s ridiculous to think they couldn’t have had a large industry.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y agoIt's ridiculous to think that that could produce anything good for consumers. The system just didn't work towards that goal. You can't design a fashionable piece of clothing if you have a 5 year plan imposed on you.
- sudosysgen 6y agoWhile that is true, the USSR produced a better military and more, higher quality consumer goods than most nations of it's size. That said, it is certain that the soviet system was suboptimal in a great many ways. But, crucially to the fact at hands, 1960s' USSR produced better rockets to send people to the ISS, at a lower cost, than 2021's USA, so there something beyond the free market in this particular case.
- WalterBright 6y agoGovernment contracting is not indicative of a free market.
- nickpp 6y agoThey weren’t even capable to FEED and clothe their people. The queues and lack of everything was legendary. Source: another anecdotal evidence, my youth lived under the horror of communism.