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> mostly non-existent Russian interference This is not true. The Republican-led, bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee found, over the course of their 3.5 y
by phs318u 6y ago
> mostly non-existent Russian interference
This is not true. The Republican-led, bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee found, over the course of their 3.5 year investigation, that there was in fact Russian interference. You can find the actual report (all 5 volumes) here [0]. Alternatively, a TL;DR summary can be found here [1].
> amazing how they didn't somehow swing this latest election
Let's for a moment, assume that the Russians were indeed behind the interference campaign. Having experienced many Democrat and Republican administrations, they would know that neither side of politics has historically been favourably predisposed to firstly Soviet and later Russian geopolitical ambitions. So, why would you bother getting a particular party in power, if both parties present have always been on a unified ticket against you? Answer - you wouldn't. It was never about getting a particular party in power, rather it was about weakening your enemy's unity. In this case, Vladimir Putin can absolutely pat himself on the back, and more than any other world leader in recent decades, truly declare, mission accomplished (if it was indeed a mission). For all Biden's talk of unifying the nation, there is no way that the all of the millions of Qanonistas left scratching their heads over the absence of "The Storm", are going to go back to quietly accepting a two-sided status-quo. The chaos monkey in chief has successfully taken the raw material of a discontented working class, and using tried and true methods [2], shaped a potent political weapon, who importantly now realise they have power. There are now millions of chaos monkeys at loose within the Republic. If that's not a win for enemies of the US, I don't know what is. Do we know for sure whether this was part of a Russian long-term psyops play? I doubt we'll ever know. It's my view that the vast majority of those at the top of the power pyramid in place over the last four years, are almost certainly not Russian operatives or plants or had anything to do with Russia. What they were (and are) is hungry for power. Seeing an opportunity to implement their wet dream neo-neo-con agendas by riding the dragon, they went all-in weakening people's trust in institutions, science, evidence, truth. They were, as Putin might smilingly say, useful idiots. This is my view. I don't believe I'm alone in holding this opinion. But at the end of the day, it's speculation - another conspiracy theory. It's entirely possible that this was a coincidental but very happy set of circumstances for Putin. Either way, it's an outcome that reflects the fact a significant number of people close to the levers of power, played themselves into a position that suited them, and also conveniently suited someone else.
[0] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-relea...
[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-senate-findings-fact-idUSKCN25E2OY https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-senate-f...
[2] https://www.azquotes.com/author/5626-Joseph_Goebbels https://www.azquotes.com/author/5626-Joseph_Goebbels
[2 Note]: This is not a glib Nazi reference. I believe that many of these quotes represent political axioms, and that those that understand them and are willing to implement them, can, and historically have, achieved great power.
- jhardy54 6y agoThanks for engaging these folks with well-written comments. They may downvote you for speaking the truth and linking to evidence, but hopefully it will plant a seed.
- aquadrop 6y agoYeah, intelligence service of both(and more) countries probably do that kinda of stuff on a regular basis, that's why they exist, but I don't think that had hardly any effect. "Russians, Russians", "Trump is a puppet of Putin" etc was a convenient scapegoat for losing the election. But problem of democrats was not Russians, but the fact that half of the country was ok with voting for Trump. And split was there long before and just growing with time, but Americans are doing great job splitting up themselves. Like with anti-sanders higher up demparty struggle. Both sides are now so politicized they are ready to bend reality and view everything through hate to the opponent.
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- einpoklum 6y ago> The Republican-led, bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee found, over the course of their 3.5 year investigation, that there was in fact Russian interference. 1. It "found", i.e. asserted, that there had been - but no evidence of interference in the elections, nor even covert influence on public opinion, by the Russian government was presented. 2. Of course Russia had some influence the elections: Through RT America, which has significant viewership. This is actually much more influential than the sophomoric Jesus-vs-Satan or Buff-Bernie Facebook memes which much of the investigation focused on. > You can find the actual report (all 5 volumes) here [0]. I scoured the Muller report, when it came out, looking for the evidence of ussian interference > Let's for a moment, assume that the Russians were indeed behind the interference campaign You're already assuming there had been an interference campaign. But there wasn't one. Also, the term "The Russians" conflates Russian people with the Russian government. This use of plural nouns is nearly always underhanded: "The Americans", "The Jews", "The blacks" - they all must have done something nefarious, they're up to no good, they're a danger to "us" etc. > it was about weakening your enemy's unity... tried and true methods... enemies of the US... Russian long-term psyops Ah, back to the cold war. This kind of rhetoric also emphasizes how the Russia interference conspiracy theory is at the end of the day an internal political tool, to discredit criticism of the political establishment as it veers farther away from public sentiment.