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I’m a long time fan of Don’t Starve Together and this news is just disappointing. What frustrates me most, though, is that China is able to operate here in the
by vlozko 6y ago
I’m a long time fan of Don’t Starve Together and this news is just disappointing. What frustrates me most, though, is that China is able to operate here in the US independently whereas it’s much more likely it won’t be reciprocated.
- riq_ 6y agoWhat frustrates me most is that USA can organize coup d'etat in Latin America and other countries, whereas it is much more likely it won't be reciprocated.
- psaux 6y agoCan you please expand and add some links? As someone who worked for Latin banks and lived globally, I would like to hear more.
- FooBarWidget 6y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) This is just the tip of the iceberg. It's world-wide. Iran, China, the list goes on.
- dmix 6y ago> In December 2019, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo stated that the United States did not plan a military intervention in Venezuela, saying that "we have said that all options are on the table", but that "we have learned from history that the risks from using military force are significant". There has been zero proven connection between that operation with any US gov office nor even Guaidó himself. It was 100% amateur hour and initiated by a con man’s security company.
- brahyam 6y agoAs a Venezuelan and victim of Maduro's constant anti imperialist propaganda I strongly believe the operation gedeon is just a fake. If the US would like to remove Maduro from power I don't think they would send 30 poorly trained, barely equipped men, from which the grand majority didn't even have military experience to disembark in one of the most popular coasts of Venezuela just a few kilometers from a navy base. If you want to read more from a great independent news site https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2020/05/05/the-macutazo-timeline-of-an-absurd-military-adventure/ https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2020/05/05/the-macutazo-ti...
- babelfish 6y agoMembers of Congress have literally referred to it as a coup on Twitter, it’s not some big secret or something you can choose not to believe in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24052507 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24052507
- eganist 6y agoNot op, but it's pretty well researched. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
- psaux 6y agoInteresting it lists right wing and left wing focus. Sounds like the US is bias towards the middle. Not sure how to groc that. Most likely it is what is important to the nation at the time would be a better qualification. History repeats itself. Thank you for sharing the links all.
- arcticbull 6y agoThe US bias when, uh, intervening in foreign politics is towards whatever's best of the US. Usually, more specifically, US corporate interests. Little care is paid to who ends up in charge so long as they're pro-"Business" and pro-America.
- psaux 6y agoLooping back. That was I said or at least was trying to convey. It is what the the nation, US in this case, finds in their best interest.
- arcticbull 6y agoAh gotcha! :) sounds like we're in violent agreement.
- devy 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic
- vector_spaces 6y agoThere's also the one that displaced my family https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
- ficklepickle 6y agoWow that is unspeakably horrible. Truly inexcusable.
- arcticbull 6y agoMaybe you'd like to read more about Operation PBSuccess - they sure didn't call it that because it failed. [1] The US (specifically the CIA) replaced a democratically elected "socialist" in Guatemala with a right-wing authoritarian military dictator at the request of what is now the Chiquita fruit company. This of course kick-started a civil war that lasted 36 years. On the plus side, it gave us "Why the Kremlin Hates Bananas" [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZtAKHnqkf4&t=120s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZtAKHnqkf4&t=120s
- mjfl 6y agoso then you must take China as a better steward of the global order? you believe China should be able to bully the US, like the US has 'bullied' others? you believe they are on the side of justice?
- jtms 6y agoThat’s some nice, completely irrelevant what-about-ism
- FooBarWidget 6y agoDo you denounce the grandparent's comment about international economic rules as whataboutism too? The topic is Tencent's acquisition, not international economic rules.
- kortilla 6y agoWell considering the fact that the grandparent comment wasn’t about the WTO, why would it need to be denounced?
- FooBarWidget 6y agoI read the threading order wrong. Corrected.
- jtms 6y agono, I don't, its absolutely relevant to the discussion about business and game industry economics.
- FooBarWidget 6y agoTesla in China is 100% foreign owned. More and more totally-foreign-owned companies in China are appearing.
- MangoCoffee 6y agoits 'cause the trade war that force China to allowed this. if there is no trade war. do you think China will allowed what have been working for them for the past 40+ years?
- FooBarWidget 6y agoChina has in fact not been employing the same strategy for 40 years. That would be foolish. Different developmental stages require different strategies. As China's economy matures, the strategy is increasingly changing to that of opening up. The move to open up their markets, and to allow majority-foreign ownership, began way before the trade war. It was already ongoing in 2014: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-25647808 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-25647808 China signed a major investment deal with the EU last month. China made major concessions. Unlike Trump, who with his "tough on China" tactics only managed to antagonize China and didn't get a proper trade deal, the EU got the sort of concessions that Trump was after, by being properly diplomatic. This is the problem with the US attitude of treating China as an enemy. I also have no idea where all the "engaging with China is a failed strategy" and crowd comes from: the EU literally showed you that engagement works better than antagonization and coercion! Facts literally show you that China was already opening up before Trump!
- actuator 6y agoTesla might have been allowed because it works well for the auxiliary industries in PRC which in turn helps their own EV companies. Also, a cynical take. If Tesla has something worth copying, it might be easier as well.
- FooBarWidget 6y agoPerhaps, but is that a problem? Isn't it a good thing when interests are aligned? Tesla looked at the situation and they are fine with it, otherwise they wouldn't be there. Allowing majority foreign ownershipnis a process that has been ongoing for years. Every year, more parts of the Chinese economy open up.
- hubadu 6y agoChinese app stores take a 50% cut on every sales and transactions. To publish in China you need to get a deal with a local publisher/company which takes another 70% cut of the remaining 50% (before taxes). Plus the long and heavy administrative paperwork to get a game approved by the authorities. Meanwhile chinese game companies can sell their games on western and asian markets without any restriction whatsoever. There is no reciprocity with China on the game market.
- pototo666 6y ago> Plus the long and heavy administrative paperwork to get a game approved by the authorities. True. I am a game developer in China. I can't afford those paperwork, both in terms of money and energy. I intend to publish my game in Western countries. > There is no reciprocity with China on the game market. True. Besides, china also has cheap labour in gaming industry, where employees are expected to work many hours.
- __m 6y agoAre you a westerner, or does the paperwork also apply to Chinese developers?
- alisonatwork 6y agoIt apply also to Chinese developers. There is a good article about this from a few years ago: https://egmnow.com/the-closing-walls-around-chinas-independent-game-development-scene/ https://egmnow.com/the-closing-walls-around-chinas-independe... I am guessing things did not change much since then.
- karmasimida 6y agoIt applies to all. It baffles me sometimes that while gaming industry is booming, create massive opportunities and tax revenue, and it is no way threatening the communist ideology, the government still treats it like a step child, shitting on it whenever it can.
- ekianjo 6y agoWhy does the WTO allow this kind of things to happen btw?
- vectorcrumb 6y agoBecause the WTO has as much control over China as the UN has over the USA.
- _cs2017_ 6y ago> I’m a long time fan of Don’t Starve Together and this news is just disappointing What makes it disappointing? Do you mean Tencent will mess up the quality of the game, etc?
- blackbrokkoli 6y agoNot too unlikely. After they bought League of Legends, they "updated" several dozen paid skins, some worth significant money apparently without communicating to Riot Games (the company directly in control of LoL, or rather the one who once was) or the player base. The quality of the update was mediocre to laughable. Reversion/Fixing took month and there was never any apology IIRC. Also, putting money into an indie game dev vs. putting money into a CRP-controled conglomerate which is silently buying more and more media may or may not be a morally different endeavor for someone.
- _cs2017_ 6y agoAh interesting. If you get a chance could you share a link to the story about the skin update made by Tencent without consulting with Riot? Also, what is CRP?