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>Citizens will require a personal licence to access the internet, and anonymous use will be illegal. I mean you already do. What do you call a signing up to an

by konjin 6y ago

>Citizens will require a personal licence to access the internet, and anonymous use will be illegal. I mean you already do. What do you call a signing up to an ISP?

zimpenfish 6y ago
You can still (I think) go into a corner shop and get a SIM for cash in the UK which gives you access to online data. Can probably even top up the data allowance with cash too. Get a second hand phone for cash from someone like CEX and you're pretty much anonymous, I think (barring opsec snafus.)
ralston3 6y ago
Yes but I can take my laptop to my friend's place and use their internet, seemingly as someone who lives in that house. I think OP is talking more so about an ID (like driver's license type of thing) to use the internet. So that one might be able to say person X visited site Y (again, we have something similar to that now, but not exactly)
- konjin 6y ago
  You can also ask to use your friends social ID. The only reason why you'd find it odd is that you're not used to it.
clusterfish 6y ago
You're just paying for a service that needs to know your address in order to function. Nobody will even check your id. Alternatively, you can use free wifi or a burner SIM with data. That possibility is not the case in every country, nor will it necessarily remain open in the future.
- fredophile 6y ago
  > You're just paying for a service that needs to know your address in order to function. Nobody will even check your id. I don't remember for my current place but I know that when I first moved to the US I needed a credit check to get internet access in my home.
- govIssued83 6y ago
  Government issued currency is required to pay them, which requires a job, which requires. It’s gate keeping all the way down, it’s already here. Everyone was all “ooo 1984! Scurry! Let’s build a Brave New World to combat it!” Really though at this point, aside from science what industrial discovery is there? We’re still just “flock building” like splinter religions. This syntax or that, still an ARM or x86 chip with known limitations. Programming to our imaginations delight is great as an art. Industrializing it is just pandering to speculative economics. “Bet you can’t!” “Bet I can!” Round n round we go; HR and accounting filtering for the right kind of compliance. Sure fear the government. I fear humanity. It’s insane and clearly intent on its destruction
LinuxBender 6y ago
All my ISP can see are the entry points I communicate with. Today I can tunnel all my traffic through my own VPN mesh, someone else's VPN mesh, open proxies, private proxies and I can reach most sites. That is how I operate today. If that becomes illegal to do, then I would be an outlaw and would have to write a song about it. My band of merry outlaws would travel the countryside, giving anonymous internet to everyone.
stretchcat 6y ago
Require? Illegal? ID is not required to use the internet, nor is it illegal to do so without. I can, or at least could before covid, go to the local public library and use their wifi with no questions asked. That's a government provided service, not some sketchy edge case like 'sharing your social security number with your friends'.
IncRnd 6y ago
> What do you call a signing up to an ISP? That is a business relationship, where a personal license to access the Internet refers to a government grant for use. Those are drastically different from each other.

by konjin 6y ago

>Citizens will require a personal licence to access the internet, and anonymous use will be illegal. I mean you already do. What do you call a signing up to an ISP?

zimpenfish 6y ago

You can still (I think) go into a corner shop and get a SIM for cash in the UK which gives you access to online data. Can probably even top up the data allowance with cash too. Get a second hand phone for cash from someone like CEX and you're pretty much anonymous, I think (barring opsec snafus.)

ralston3 6y ago

Yes but I can take my laptop to my friend's place and use their internet, seemingly as someone who lives in that house. I think OP is talking more so about an ID (like driver's license type of thing) to use the internet. So that one might be able to say person X visited site Y (again, we have something similar to that now, but not exactly)

konjin 6y ago
You can also ask to use your friends social ID. The only reason why you'd find it odd is that you're not used to it.

clusterfish 6y ago

You're just paying for a service that needs to know your address in order to function. Nobody will even check your id. Alternatively, you can use free wifi or a burner SIM with data. That possibility is not the case in every country, nor will it necessarily remain open in the future.

fredophile 6y ago
> You're just paying for a service that needs to know your address in order to function. Nobody will even check your id. I don't remember for my current place but I know that when I first moved to the US I needed a credit check to get internet access in my home.
govIssued83 6y ago
Government issued currency is required to pay them, which requires a job, which requires. It’s gate keeping all the way down, it’s already here. Everyone was all “ooo 1984! Scurry! Let’s build a Brave New World to combat it!” Really though at this point, aside from science what industrial discovery is there? We’re still just “flock building” like splinter religions. This syntax or that, still an ARM or x86 chip with known limitations. Programming to our imaginations delight is great as an art. Industrializing it is just pandering to speculative economics. “Bet you can’t!” “Bet I can!” Round n round we go; HR and accounting filtering for the right kind of compliance. Sure fear the government. I fear humanity. It’s insane and clearly intent on its destruction

LinuxBender 6y ago

All my ISP can see are the entry points I communicate with. Today I can tunnel all my traffic through my own VPN mesh, someone else's VPN mesh, open proxies, private proxies and I can reach most sites. That is how I operate today. If that becomes illegal to do, then I would be an outlaw and would have to write a song about it. My band of merry outlaws would travel the countryside, giving anonymous internet to everyone.

stretchcat 6y ago

Require? Illegal? ID is not required to use the internet, nor is it illegal to do so without. I can, or at least could before covid, go to the local public library and use their wifi with no questions asked. That's a government provided service, not some sketchy edge case like 'sharing your social security number with your friends'.

IncRnd 6y ago

> What do you call a signing up to an ISP? That is a business relationship, where a personal license to access the Internet refers to a government grant for use. Those are drastically different from each other.