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> debugging / error messages I think its still quite bad for debugging. I get a lot of "look here" for errors, but there are still times I set breakpoints on t

by erlich 6y ago

> debugging / error messages I think its still quite bad for debugging. I get a lot of "look here" for errors, but there are still times I set breakpoints on the internals to try and figure out what is going on. Usually in combination with some babel plugin messing things up, or some webpack caching issue, etc. I still think more could be done here, but adding the necessary debugging stuff would bloat the core. > Redux is king Redux is quickly going out of fashion. Interested to hear your thoughts on how long you think it will remain around though or evolve. When I look at redux-saga/redux-observable projects, its incredibly verbose for such simple things. And there seem like very simple solutions on the horizon with suspense resource fetching stuff.

nawgz 6y ago
> Usually in combination with some babel plugin messing things up To be honest with you, you can't really blame React in this situation - it is nonetheless immensely frustrating to be sure. > Redux is quickly going out of fashion Yes, when I say it's "king" I only mean in terms of popularity within the community. I personally never understood the point of Redux and have always greatly preferred MobX for exactly what you say - it is far too verbose. I also don't really have a good read on how the future of these projects will go - I would have thought MobX would've won out long ago. Maybe now with MobX 6 moving away from decorators it can gain the steam it deserves. I think the key blocker has been / is that MobX is building a runtime graph, and people don't understand graphs (let alone dependency graphs) very well, so it feels like magic. It's really easy to use though. With features like Suspense, I feel like React will continue to push for more concise ways to write your components, but I also wonder if even the one level of misdirection that Suspense shows will be enough to limit its adoption. So far, explicit and non-magic seems to be a strange community preference

by erlich 6y ago

nawgz 6y ago

> Usually in combination with some babel plugin messing things up To be honest with you, you can't really blame React in this situation - it is nonetheless immensely frustrating to be sure. > Redux is quickly going out of fashion Yes, when I say it's "king" I only mean in terms of popularity within the community. I personally never understood the point of Redux and have always greatly preferred MobX for exactly what you say - it is far too verbose. I also don't really have a good read on how the future of these projects will go - I would have thought MobX would've won out long ago. Maybe now with MobX 6 moving away from decorators it can gain the steam it deserves. I think the key blocker has been / is that MobX is building a runtime graph, and people don't understand graphs (let alone dependency graphs) very well, so it feels like magic. It's really easy to use though. With features like Suspense, I feel like React will continue to push for more concise ways to write your components, but I also wonder if even the one level of misdirection that Suspense shows will be enough to limit its adoption. So far, explicit and non-magic seems to be a strange community preference