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More to do with certain people with disproportionate influence deciding what isn't allowed to be discussed. A partial list: The displacement of European peopl

• konjin 6y ago
  I always find it funny that holocaust denial is not allowed, yet half the holocaust is never to be called the holocaust. In the west it's said that only Jews were ever to be exterminated. Yet the first work camps were for socialists, the first death camps were hospitals for the disabled, the first extermination camps were for Russian pows and extermination camps murdered 6 million Slavs, Gypsies and homosexuals. There's even a little book written by Hitler himself that details what will happen to the Slavs once he won. But somehow the official line that it's only Jews that were targeted is not holocaust denial.
  • jjcon 6y ago
    > somehow the official line that it's only Jews that were targeted is not holocaust denial. How is this the official line? Jews were the primary target but I’ve never ever seen anything ‘official’ claim they were the only ones.
    • konjin 6y ago
      >The Holocaust, also known as the Shoah,[c] was the World War II genocide of the European Jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust I don't think you can get more of the zeitgeist than the first sentence of a wiki article.
      • jjcon 6y ago
        Dude... if you just kept reading it’s clear they aren’t claiming they were the only ones, but Jews by far were the primary targets. Nobody is denying other shit happened though.
        • 6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago
          To be fair, the article does make a distinction, saying the other parts weren't part of the holocaust, necessitating a different name for everything else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Definition It doesn't deny that other stuff happens, it just defines the holocaust as not including them. Personally, I never knew the scale of the non-holocaust parts of the holocaust era until reading this today, and I expect it's because of the narrow scope of the term's definition. So I'm sympathetic to konjin's view even though it's just a question of definitions instead of a question of facts.
          • selimthegrim 6y ago
            Roma have their own term for it IIRC
            • konjin 6y ago
              This is what Nazi apologia looks like in 2021. "We need to use the cast system of the Nazis to classify their genocides. A Jew could never be a citizen of any nation, just like the Nazis said." If you died in a camp you died in a camp. The only reason why this is even an issue today is that it admitting that Slavs were a target in the holocaust would give legitimacy to Poland, Russia and Belarus being western-skeptic, given that they experienced literal genocide within living memory. And that in Europe the systemic racism against Roma is still acceptable and mainstream.
      • eznzt 6y ago
        History is written by the victors.