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I’m sorry, but this comment is a total goalpost mover, and complete BS. The goalpost moving: the initial article is talking about porting a desktop client base

by nawgz 6y ago

I’m sorry, but this comment is a total goalpost mover, and complete BS. The goalpost moving: the initial article is talking about porting a desktop client based program with a reasonable amount of views to the web. Now Facebook scale and quality UI isn’t good enough to demonstrate that React is a strong front end tool. I also don’t see how the UI is particularly likely to cause issues to an insurance or banking company. The BS: “most software of significant cost and size is serving a industry, not the industry itself”. This sounds smart but it has virtually no relationship to the main drivers of complexity behind the UIs in discussion, which is number of developers and number of pages. You cannot reasonably tell me Facebook doesn’t show React scales for UI engineering.

worik 6y ago
"the initial article is talking about porting a desktop client based program with a reasonable amount of views to the web. Now Facebook scale and quality UI isn’t good enough to demonstrate that React is a strong front end tool" Not the whole truth. It was a big job. "Enterprise level" has no clearly defined meaning, but I assume millions of dollars. A large team of C# programmers doin the system. So it is worth doing sustainably. There is no evidence that react, which judging from the "I have N years experience of React..." N <= 5 is about five years old, can be a sustainable solution for anything. It might look good now, but can it be maintained in twelve years when all the script kiddies are off on the next Best Thing Whichrelates to your rude and sweary comment about: "... is serving a industry, not the industry itself" it is not complexity but sustainability. Facebook is the software. Your bank is not its banking software. The bank needs to know that in a decade they will still be able to maintain the software. If they use React, or Angular or goodness knows what else the bountiful world of JS frameworks will throw up for us, they cannot guarantee that. I can reasonably say that Facebook doesn’t show React scales for sustainability: It does not.
- nawgz 6y ago
  > "Enterprise level" has no clearly defined meaning, but I assume millions of dollars Ok, so Facebook builds UIs, manages a valuation worth close to a trillion dollars, and uses React everywhere (even sometimes outside of the web!). That does NOT show React scales for sustainability? My fucking ass. That's a bullshit take. > can it be maintained in twelve years when all the script kiddies See, software engineers love to pretend UI engineering is like some half-discipline or doesn't matter, but it just makes you look braindead. Your whole take is "Facebook and its trillion dollars aren't showing React scales" and "UI engineering is for script kiddies". Fuck you.
worik 6y ago
BTW: I do not believe you are sorry! Hard to tell in comments like this, but I think probably you are not. And nor should you be! (Perhaps for being sweary, but I am a reformed potty mouthed person - so a bit of a snow flake in that department)

by nawgz 6y ago

worik 6y ago

"the initial article is talking about porting a desktop client based program with a reasonable amount of views to the web. Now Facebook scale and quality UI isn’t good enough to demonstrate that React is a strong front end tool" Not the whole truth. It was a big job. "Enterprise level" has no clearly defined meaning, but I assume millions of dollars. A large team of C# programmers doin the system. So it is worth doing sustainably. There is no evidence that react, which judging from the "I have N years experience of React..." N <= 5 is about five years old, can be a sustainable solution for anything. It might look good now, but can it be maintained in twelve years when all the script kiddies are off on the next Best Thing Whichrelates to your rude and sweary comment about: "... is serving a industry, not the industry itself" it is not complexity but sustainability. Facebook is the software. Your bank is not its banking software. The bank needs to know that in a decade they will still be able to maintain the software. If they use React, or Angular or goodness knows what else the bountiful world of JS frameworks will throw up for us, they cannot guarantee that. I can reasonably say that Facebook doesn’t show React scales for sustainability: It does not.

nawgz 6y ago
> "Enterprise level" has no clearly defined meaning, but I assume millions of dollars Ok, so Facebook builds UIs, manages a valuation worth close to a trillion dollars, and uses React everywhere (even sometimes outside of the web!). That does NOT show React scales for sustainability? My fucking ass. That's a bullshit take. > can it be maintained in twelve years when all the script kiddies See, software engineers love to pretend UI engineering is like some half-discipline or doesn't matter, but it just makes you look braindead. Your whole take is "Facebook and its trillion dollars aren't showing React scales" and "UI engineering is for script kiddies". Fuck you.

worik 6y ago

BTW: I do not believe you are sorry! Hard to tell in comments like this, but I think probably you are not. And nor should you be! (Perhaps for being sweary, but I am a reformed potty mouthed person - so a bit of a snow flake in that department)