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Upgrading to NVMe drive was probably the best purchase I've made last year Sadly even with an NVMe boot drive and it still takes me 11s to boot Windows because

Upgrading to NVMe drive was probably the best purchase I've made last year Sadly even with an NVMe boot drive and it still takes me 11s to boot Windows because I got multiple Electron apps: Spotify, Docker Desktop, and Slack

angrais 6y ago
Couldn't you disable those at startup and then turn them on as needed? For example, will you instantly listen to music or run a docker container after you log in?
- trinovantes 6y ago
  Personally, waiting an extra 2-3s on boot is an acceptable tradeoff to save a few clicks in my morning routine. Back when I was using an ssd, I might have reconsidered since those apps would add an extra 10s to my boot time
  - angrais 6y ago
    Very great point and I did the same too! For me, I keep them turned off as they're not used daily,e.g., Spotify.
RicoElectrico 6y ago
Yeah, my company laptop has a 6-core i7 and 512 GB NVMe, yet it takes a considerable time to even show the lockscreen from a cold boot. Wonder what junk Dell put in the UEFI. Wasn't Windows 8/10 supposed to boot up in a blink with an SSD and modern PCs? I can even hear coil whine from SSD which resembles HDD crunching along, albeit much quieter.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  > Wonder what junk Dell put in the UEFI Think of the dumbest thing that you can, and then try to imagine something 10x dumber. Case in point: Dell makes rugged tablets for use cases like vehicle mounts (police, field service, etc) or outdoor use. They have buttons that are customizable. Customization requires a UWP Windows 10 app.
luckman212 6y ago
Yeah Electron is bad for users. I know MBAs love it because they can fire 1/2 of their devs and still check the "we support cross-platform" box. Try this 1-liner in your Terminal (if you're on Mac) e=$(find /Applications -name "Electron Framework.framework" -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 4 | wc -l); t=$(find /Applications -name "*.app" -maxdepth 1 | wc -l); p=$(bc -l <<<"($e/$t)*100"); printf '%.2f%s\n' "$p" "% of your apps are Electron" On my system, about 20% of my installed apps are Electron now, and this number is growing. No matter how much RAM & CPU you throw at these dogs, they just don't run any better. Gobs of RAM, wasteful use of CPU cycles. A modern desktop dystopia.
- meibo 6y ago
  I tend to run the ones that work the same way as a webpage(or are just missing features I don't need) in Chrome "app" mode. Looks just like an electron app and has a normal shortcut, but uses the existing chrome instance and saves memory + cpu if you're using chrome anyways.
gjvc 6y ago
Boot of Linux (Debian/10) is very quick (but not instant) on my Samsung NVMe [1], but I have yet to try it with winding through some multi-terabyte databases, but I expect good things. [1] I have an HP Z240 SFF Xeon; Pretty vanilla. I'm not a modder. The addition of the NVMe drive means that you can have a system without any SATA SSD cables -- and it looks much more industrial, and less PC-like.
brundolf 6y ago
Why are your electron apps holding up your boot sequence?

angrais 6y ago

Couldn't you disable those at startup and then turn them on as needed? For example, will you instantly listen to music or run a docker container after you log in?

trinovantes 6y ago
Personally, waiting an extra 2-3s on boot is an acceptable tradeoff to save a few clicks in my morning routine. Back when I was using an ssd, I might have reconsidered since those apps would add an extra 10s to my boot time
- angrais 6y ago
  Very great point and I did the same too! For me, I keep them turned off as they're not used daily,e.g., Spotify.

RicoElectrico 6y ago

Yeah, my company laptop has a 6-core i7 and 512 GB NVMe, yet it takes a considerable time to even show the lockscreen from a cold boot. Wonder what junk Dell put in the UEFI. Wasn't Windows 8/10 supposed to boot up in a blink with an SSD and modern PCs? I can even hear coil whine from SSD which resembles HDD crunching along, albeit much quieter.

Spooky23 6y ago
> Wonder what junk Dell put in the UEFI Think of the dumbest thing that you can, and then try to imagine something 10x dumber. Case in point: Dell makes rugged tablets for use cases like vehicle mounts (police, field service, etc) or outdoor use. They have buttons that are customizable. Customization requires a UWP Windows 10 app.

luckman212 6y ago

Yeah Electron is bad for users. I know MBAs love it because they can fire 1/2 of their devs and still check the "we support cross-platform" box. Try this 1-liner in your Terminal (if you're on Mac) e=$(find /Applications -name "Electron Framework.framework" -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 4 | wc -l); t=$(find /Applications -name "*.app" -maxdepth 1 | wc -l); p=$(bc -l <<<"($e/$t)*100"); printf '%.2f%s\n' "$p" "% of your apps are Electron" On my system, about 20% of my installed apps are Electron now, and this number is growing. No matter how much RAM & CPU you throw at these dogs, they just don't run any better. Gobs of RAM, wasteful use of CPU cycles. A modern desktop dystopia.

meibo 6y ago
I tend to run the ones that work the same way as a webpage(or are just missing features I don't need) in Chrome "app" mode. Looks just like an electron app and has a normal shortcut, but uses the existing chrome instance and saves memory + cpu if you're using chrome anyways.

gjvc 6y ago

Boot of Linux (Debian/10) is very quick (but not instant) on my Samsung NVMe [1], but I have yet to try it with winding through some multi-terabyte databases, but I expect good things. [1] I have an HP Z240 SFF Xeon; Pretty vanilla. I'm not a modder. The addition of the NVMe drive means that you can have a system without any SATA SSD cables -- and it looks much more industrial, and less PC-like.

brundolf 6y ago

Why are your electron apps holding up your boot sequence?