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This is a textbook strawman. > So what, figuring out how people without a designated parking space can change their car is trivial compared to trying to undo g

This is a textbook strawman. > So what, figuring out how people without a designated parking space can change their car is trivial compared to trying to undo global warming. No it isn't. NYC has limited space. There simply isn't enough room for a charger for every car. That is a nontrivial problem with extreme cost. You can't just handwave it away.

smileysteve 6y ago
NYC and San Francisco are about as strawman as it gets, because the cars AND trips per capita are some of the lowest in the U.S.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  Because of the infrastructure surrounding it - e.g. fleets of cars taxis, public transit, etc. In other words, better options than having an owning an EV, which, if you pay attention, is what we're talking about here.
  - warkdarrior 6y ago
    > fleets of cars taxis, public transit Surely in those settings the best option is for the taxi companies and the public transit providers to shift to EVs.
  - smileysteve 6y ago
    > In other words, better options than having an owning an EV is what we're talking about here. Nope. The topic is about mass adoption. Not mass adoption by people who take trains or taxi in a certain city. Even within this sub thread, it's comparing the "ease" of getting fuel and parking in nyc (neither of which are actually easy) to which charging is a mass hurdle. Are there people who don't have access to power and security at a parking spot who drive more than 100 miles a day (and drivers that use bottles and get blood clots instead of stopping for 1hr every 250 miles), sure, but that's not the mass, it's somewhere <5%. And roughly a smaller population to whom don't need a car on a regular basis at all.
  - ascorbic 6y ago
    I don't think anyone is suggesting you buy an EV if you don't need a car at all. It's about replacing an ICE car. If you have one of those, you must be parking it somewhere already.
Gibbon1 6y ago
I spent 25 years living in San Francisco. What I know is I put about 6000 miles a year on my car. Of which about 4000 was around the city. Assuming a city dweller with a car charged it every 200 miles, that's be once every two and half weeks. That doesn't seem impossible, just merely inconvenient. On the same level of having to wash your clothes at a laundromat. It's thing, if you live in a real city, it's not the Suburbs.
- theshrike79 6y ago
  The laundromat analogy is pretty good. Basically you'd plug in your car to a charger, go do your weekly groceries and go grab your car. Two weeks of charge right there. You might not need to charge during next week's grocery run if you don't want to.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    A couple of people on my street in SF commuted to the south bay with electric cars. They'd park them on the street at night and charge them at work. Also thing I know about SF. People that work in SF park their car in the same spot for days at a time. And remembering to move the car is another inconvenience they deal with. When I lived and worked in SF I would drive down town and park. Which I could do because I had a parking sticker. Most people do not have that option. Which says to me, me putting 6000 miles a year on my car probably made me an outlier on the high side. There are people putting much less.

smileysteve 6y ago

NYC and San Francisco are about as strawman as it gets, because the cars AND trips per capita are some of the lowest in the U.S.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
Because of the infrastructure surrounding it - e.g. fleets of cars taxis, public transit, etc. In other words, better options than having an owning an EV, which, if you pay attention, is what we're talking about here.
- warkdarrior 6y ago
  > fleets of cars taxis, public transit Surely in those settings the best option is for the taxi companies and the public transit providers to shift to EVs.
- smileysteve 6y ago
  > In other words, better options than having an owning an EV is what we're talking about here. Nope. The topic is about mass adoption. Not mass adoption by people who take trains or taxi in a certain city. Even within this sub thread, it's comparing the "ease" of getting fuel and parking in nyc (neither of which are actually easy) to which charging is a mass hurdle. Are there people who don't have access to power and security at a parking spot who drive more than 100 miles a day (and drivers that use bottles and get blood clots instead of stopping for 1hr every 250 miles), sure, but that's not the mass, it's somewhere <5%. And roughly a smaller population to whom don't need a car on a regular basis at all.
- ascorbic 6y ago
  I don't think anyone is suggesting you buy an EV if you don't need a car at all. It's about replacing an ICE car. If you have one of those, you must be parking it somewhere already.

Gibbon1 6y ago

I spent 25 years living in San Francisco. What I know is I put about 6000 miles a year on my car. Of which about 4000 was around the city. Assuming a city dweller with a car charged it every 200 miles, that's be once every two and half weeks. That doesn't seem impossible, just merely inconvenient. On the same level of having to wash your clothes at a laundromat. It's thing, if you live in a real city, it's not the Suburbs.

theshrike79 6y ago
The laundromat analogy is pretty good. Basically you'd plug in your car to a charger, go do your weekly groceries and go grab your car. Two weeks of charge right there. You might not need to charge during next week's grocery run if you don't want to.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  A couple of people on my street in SF commuted to the south bay with electric cars. They'd park them on the street at night and charge them at work. Also thing I know about SF. People that work in SF park their car in the same spot for days at a time. And remembering to move the car is another inconvenience they deal with. When I lived and worked in SF I would drive down town and park. Which I could do because I had a parking sticker. Most people do not have that option. Which says to me, me putting 6000 miles a year on my car probably made me an outlier on the high side. There are people putting much less.