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It's wild to me that no other car manufacturers have taken Tesla up on their offer for supercharger access. EVs without supercharger access are strict city car

It's wild to me that no other car manufacturers have taken Tesla up on their offer for supercharger access. EVs without supercharger access are strict city cars. The electrify america network sucks, non tesla range is mostly bad (with a small number of exceptions). Even with decent range, lack of supercharger access makes the car a non-starter. I think Tesla's advantage here remains huge, I think legacy car companies are in trouble (and this is even ignoring their inability to write or ship software). The dealership model of legacy car companies will also be a big problem for them and will continue to hold them back. That said, I think ultimately forcing the EV switch makes sense and with something like supercharging in place is viable. Battery capacity will continue to improve, charging rates will continue to improve. Pushing this shift makes sense. It just might be that legacy car companies are too dumb to do it properly and will cede a lot of the market to Tesla (and maybe Apple).

theshrike79 6y ago
> It's wild to me that no other car manufacturers have taken Tesla up on their offer for supercharger access. It's a prestige thing. Legacy manufacturers would lose face if they'd have their cars charging at the young upstart's superchargers. This is why most european manufacturers have partnered with 3rd party companies and provide some amount of free charging at certain branded locations for new vehicles.
- fossuser 6y ago
  Well whatever it is, I think it’s a stupid decision that harms their potential customers. They did nothing for ten years while tesla built out an entire network (except publicly complain about EVs). It’s like Steve Ballmer’s video trashing the iPhone and then losing the entire phone market. I have little respect for that.
Daho0n 6y ago
You lost me at >this is even ignoring their inability to write or ship software If anyone cannot write or ship software it is Tesla. My Toyota is light-years ahead in the software and updating department and I'll never again touch a Tesla with a stick in my life. Talk about crappy software. No what Tesla's got going for them is first mover and that is over soon. Even cheap Chinese EVs like the MG is closing with Tesla fast. Apple is working with Hyundai, which is another company biting at Tesla's heals. Hyundai cars with Apple software/design for Apple fans and Tesla is left in the dust. They need to invest a lot more in quality than they do now -without raising the price- if they aren't going to be left behind when the big guys get moving.
- fossuser 6y ago
  I think most people would disagree with you on the point that Toyota software is “light years ahead in software and updating”, but there is some subjectivity here.

theshrike79 6y ago

> It's wild to me that no other car manufacturers have taken Tesla up on their offer for supercharger access. It's a prestige thing. Legacy manufacturers would lose face if they'd have their cars charging at the young upstart's superchargers. This is why most european manufacturers have partnered with 3rd party companies and provide some amount of free charging at certain branded locations for new vehicles.

fossuser 6y ago
Well whatever it is, I think it’s a stupid decision that harms their potential customers. They did nothing for ten years while tesla built out an entire network (except publicly complain about EVs). It’s like Steve Ballmer’s video trashing the iPhone and then losing the entire phone market. I have little respect for that.

Daho0n 6y ago

You lost me at >this is even ignoring their inability to write or ship software If anyone cannot write or ship software it is Tesla. My Toyota is light-years ahead in the software and updating department and I'll never again touch a Tesla with a stick in my life. Talk about crappy software. No what Tesla's got going for them is first mover and that is over soon. Even cheap Chinese EVs like the MG is closing with Tesla fast. Apple is working with Hyundai, which is another company biting at Tesla's heals. Hyundai cars with Apple software/design for Apple fans and Tesla is left in the dust. They need to invest a lot more in quality than they do now -without raising the price- if they aren't going to be left behind when the big guys get moving.

fossuser 6y ago
I think most people would disagree with you on the point that Toyota software is “light years ahead in software and updating”, but there is some subjectivity here.