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Facebook did this back in December too before admitting a "mistake" and reversing it. Get it together please FB. I tried to see what the SWP comments on covid

Facebook did this back in December too before admitting a "mistake" and reversing it. Get it together please FB. I tried to see what the SWP comments on covid were. They seem pretty mainstream (not covid denialism). Ironically their "demands" from December are now government policy... https://swp.org.uk/schools-are-not-safe/ https://swp.org.uk/schools-are-not-safe/ I'm not sure where I stand on Facebook's (etc) right to remove legal content, but I would like a requirement for any platform to specifically state why they removed content. Too often things are taken down for no reason and get put back up based on twitter outrage rather than any logical basis. YouTube are getting infamous for this...

BoorishBears 6y ago
Any time I see one of these "mistakes" I read it as "content got flooded with reports and our automated system took it down"
- LatteLazy 6y ago
  I think that would be fine as an initial reason. Having had that back in Dec, you'd think they would put SWP on a safe list? Who knows, I guess. And that's the problem, not so much the taking down as the taking down with zero reason or discussion...
  - throwaways885 6y ago
    This is how the right has been feeling for a while. This is nothing new behaviour-wise for Facebook, the only difference is this gets more favourable media attention.
    - LatteLazy 6y ago
      There are some big open questions for us as a society on this. I don't approve of calls for violence and I thought Facebook etc were doing well at free speech until the last year or two. It seems like no one is happy with that anymore.
    - elmomle 6y ago
      Please, don't draw a false equivalency between a major political party that does not play host to violent rhetoric, on the one hand, and groups that where plans (very real, actionable, and actioned-on plans!) to subvert the government are incubated, on the other. Put another way--let's not turn sedition into another us-vs-them political game. That's how democracy ends.
      - mrec 6y ago
        The SWP is not by any stretch of the imagination a major political party. ETA: to quantify that a bit, in the 2010 General Election the SWP ran as part of the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition. Nationally that coalition received 0.04% of votes cast. I can't find any indication that they even put up any candidates in subsequent elections.
        BoorishBears 6y ago
        Does this actually affect the correctness of their point? Acting like a reaction to a politically charged breach of the capitol building is equivalent to a page sharing views about COVID and workers rights getting removed? It actually feels absurd to type that sentence out...
        mrec 6y ago
        I was correcting what looked like a significant misapprehension about the subject of the thread, not arguing for a comparison. Although I can't see anything in throwaways885's comment to suggest that they were talking about the post-Capitol-breach purges. If anything, "for a while" suggests the opposite.
        BoorishBears 6y ago
        The "this gets more favourable media attention." definitely implies they're referring to the flurry of media attention towards alt-right removals we've been seeing And my point is it's not really a "significant misapprehension" at all, at least not significant to their point. They could be a party of one guy in his underwear and the point would still stand
    - throwaway2245 6y ago
      > this gets more favourable media attention. The "favourable media attention" you are talking about is here the Socialist Workers' Party reporting about itself on its own website. I'd wager the BBC will not cover this at all, in contrast to acres of free promotion for Parler etc.
      - fao_ 6y ago
        As someone who used to watch the BBC, but stopped in the last year or two, the BBC has for the last 30 years been more interested in giving a positive voice to right-wing movements than it has been left-wing. See: how Farage was treated by the BCC, versus Corbyn Related: https://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-communications/research/research-projects/representations-of-jeremy-corbyn https://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-communications/research/rese...
    - _jal 6y ago
      Right, the victim in this case self-reporting it is "favorable media attention", unlike the mostly false whinging from the right, which only gets repeated national legislative attempts in the US and endless media repeat on national outlets.
    - LatteLazy 6y ago
      (second reply) Are their some good examples of censorship from before the last 2 weeks I can cite? It might help a more friendly discussion too, people are already down voting randomly it seems... I remember when Joe Rogan went to Spotify and there was something of a backlash inside the company. I vaguely remember some of his episodes (discussing trans athletes rights) weren't hosted for a while.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > "content got flooded with reports and our automated system took it down" I assume this plays a role. I really like facebook meme groups, but every single one inevitably gets "zucced" because of overzealous reports by people who genuinely don't get the problem. They even moderate themselves now to avoid reports.

BoorishBears 6y ago

Any time I see one of these "mistakes" I read it as "content got flooded with reports and our automated system took it down"

LatteLazy 6y ago
I think that would be fine as an initial reason. Having had that back in Dec, you'd think they would put SWP on a safe list? Who knows, I guess. And that's the problem, not so much the taking down as the taking down with zero reason or discussion...
- throwaways885 6y ago
  This is how the right has been feeling for a while. This is nothing new behaviour-wise for Facebook, the only difference is this gets more favourable media attention.
  - LatteLazy 6y ago
    There are some big open questions for us as a society on this. I don't approve of calls for violence and I thought Facebook etc were doing well at free speech until the last year or two. It seems like no one is happy with that anymore.
  - elmomle 6y ago
    Please, don't draw a false equivalency between a major political party that does not play host to violent rhetoric, on the one hand, and groups that where plans (very real, actionable, and actioned-on plans!) to subvert the government are incubated, on the other. Put another way--let's not turn sedition into another us-vs-them political game. That's how democracy ends.
    - mrec 6y ago
      The SWP is not by any stretch of the imagination a major political party. ETA: to quantify that a bit, in the 2010 General Election the SWP ran as part of the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition. Nationally that coalition received 0.04% of votes cast. I can't find any indication that they even put up any candidates in subsequent elections.
      - BoorishBears 6y ago
        Does this actually affect the correctness of their point? Acting like a reaction to a politically charged breach of the capitol building is equivalent to a page sharing views about COVID and workers rights getting removed? It actually feels absurd to type that sentence out...
        mrec 6y ago
        I was correcting what looked like a significant misapprehension about the subject of the thread, not arguing for a comparison. Although I can't see anything in throwaways885's comment to suggest that they were talking about the post-Capitol-breach purges. If anything, "for a while" suggests the opposite.
        BoorishBears 6y ago
        The "this gets more favourable media attention." definitely implies they're referring to the flurry of media attention towards alt-right removals we've been seeing And my point is it's not really a "significant misapprehension" at all, at least not significant to their point. They could be a party of one guy in his underwear and the point would still stand
  - throwaway2245 6y ago
    > this gets more favourable media attention. The "favourable media attention" you are talking about is here the Socialist Workers' Party reporting about itself on its own website. I'd wager the BBC will not cover this at all, in contrast to acres of free promotion for Parler etc.
    - fao_ 6y ago
      As someone who used to watch the BBC, but stopped in the last year or two, the BBC has for the last 30 years been more interested in giving a positive voice to right-wing movements than it has been left-wing. See: how Farage was treated by the BCC, versus Corbyn Related: https://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-communications/research/research-projects/representations-of-jeremy-corbyn https://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-communications/research/rese...
  - _jal 6y ago
    Right, the victim in this case self-reporting it is "favorable media attention", unlike the mostly false whinging from the right, which only gets repeated national legislative attempts in the US and endless media repeat on national outlets.
  - LatteLazy 6y ago
    (second reply) Are their some good examples of censorship from before the last 2 weeks I can cite? It might help a more friendly discussion too, people are already down voting randomly it seems... I remember when Joe Rogan went to Spotify and there was something of a backlash inside the company. I vaguely remember some of his episodes (discussing trans athletes rights) weren't hosted for a while.
mhh__ 6y ago
> "content got flooded with reports and our automated system took it down" I assume this plays a role. I really like facebook meme groups, but every single one inevitably gets "zucced" because of overzealous reports by people who genuinely don't get the problem. They even moderate themselves now to avoid reports.