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> If by "we" you mean the population of HN - that is blatantly false. The average HN user is far more technically sophisticated than the average computer/phone

by sildur 6y ago

> If by "we" you mean the population of HN - that is blatantly false. The average HN user is far more technically sophisticated than the average computer/phone user. Elitism, again. > This is completely true, and not "paternalistic" in the least - it's a statement of fact. Backed by nothing. > Absolutely false. My father, as do most of the fathers I know, are profoundly disinterested in customization and learning more about their devices - even after I show them some of the stuff that they could do, and offer to teach them. It's simply not interesting to them - they want to do workworking, or something. They want to do workworking or something... Honestly, that sounds quite dismissive. Hopefully your teaching offer was slightly more humble than that...

fouric 6y ago
> Elitism, again. This is not elitism - this is a statement of fact. You should know the definitions of words before you use them: "The belief that certain persons or members of certain groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their superiority, as in intelligence, social standing, or wealth." and "Behavior arising from or indicative of such a belief." ...neither of which describes the statement that I made. (in case it's not clear - even if my statement were false, it would still not be elitism) > Backed by nothing. It's pretty clear that HN users are way more tech-savvy than the average user - don't try to deny it. If you absolutely insist on evidence - take five random posts from the front page of HN, show the original content to a random sampling of people you meet at the library or at a coffeeshop (your family members and friends could be biased technically), ask them to make comments, and then compare to the HN comments on the post. Only the very tiniest fraction of users are going to write anything like [1][2][3] - those are developers, and their knowledge, skills, and behaviors are dramatically different than the average user. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25883791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25883791 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25881911 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25881911 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25885196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25885196

by sildur 6y ago

fouric 6y ago

> Elitism, again. This is not elitism - this is a statement of fact. You should know the definitions of words before you use them: "The belief that certain persons or members of certain groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their superiority, as in intelligence, social standing, or wealth." and "Behavior arising from or indicative of such a belief." ...neither of which describes the statement that I made. (in case it's not clear - even if my statement were false, it would still not be elitism) > Backed by nothing. It's pretty clear that HN users are way more tech-savvy than the average user - don't try to deny it. If you absolutely insist on evidence - take five random posts from the front page of HN, show the original content to a random sampling of people you meet at the library or at a coffeeshop (your family members and friends could be biased technically), ask them to make comments, and then compare to the HN comments on the post. Only the very tiniest fraction of users are going to write anything like [1][2][3] - those are developers, and their knowledge, skills, and behaviors are dramatically different than the average user. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25883791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25883791 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25881911 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25881911 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25885196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25885196