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OwnCloud releases tech preview on new, innovative platform – ownCloud

xxel 6y ago
NextCloud is more than enough for me with full secure setup. I do remmember pulled the repo of ownCloud on some dietpi and I did not liked it. UI a bit oldscool and borring source code.
- COGlory 6y ago
  >borring source code Based on the article, this looks to be a massive overhaul of the source, switching to Golang.
  - xxel 6y ago
    Based on the articke NOW. My comment is based on the PAST experience.
- Jnr 6y ago
  I hope you do know that NextCloud is a fork of ownCloud. NextCloud is probably just as boring. :) I use Nextcloud and it is very dated and with poor performance in multiple areas. I was expecting someone would come and make a more modern open source private cloud server in Go or Rust, but I did not expect ownCloud to do the rewrite. Nice!
  - djeiasbsbo 6y ago
    The newest version of NextCloud is perfectly fine, not sure if you have tried that. It is fast, extensible and due to its status, many clients and apps can sync to NextCloud. At this point it is known enough, that it can replace sonething like iCloud for anyone looking to switch.
    - nix23 6y ago
      Well it's not all good and fine, for example the Android sync client. Just the new media is uploaded, not the existing one. https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-doesnt-android-client-upload-existing-pictures/10365/46 https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-doesnt-android-client-uploa...
      - djeiasbsbo 6y ago
        Okay, noted. I use a third party client on Android which works fine, but I haven't tried thw official one.
    - Jnr 6y ago
      That is the marketing side - reality is different. I am always running the latest stable version. Phone sync is terrible (does not work properly), opening gallery view with a few images takes from 30sec to never, iOS app crashes frequently, there are all kinds of UI glitches, etc. Almost all of these problems have been reported in their bug tracker, some of them have been there for years, but since those are not that relevant for their business customers, they don't really fix them.
- viraptor 6y ago
  > borring source code That sounds like a positive thing to be honest.
  - nix23 6y ago
    That's probably the best quality-feature one can give to source-code.
denysvitali 6y ago
Wow. This really looks interesting! Ditching PHP for Golang and a full rewrite? Kudos!
- acct776 6y ago
  Is this going to make migrating from NextCloud worthwhile for security or speed reasons?
  - m-p-3 6y ago
    I'd probably consider it if it was faster and lighter on resources.
- a012 6y ago
  Definitely interesting. Even more impressive on their release notes of Tech Preview: https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/releases/tag/v1.0.0 https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/releases/tag/v1.0.0
- belval 6y ago
  It's also a smart move because I'd be a willing to bet Go is more approchable to would be contributors.
nickik 6y ago
I was not very happy with the ownCloud product and this rewirte was very much needed. I seem like they were just adding feature but tons of it just didn't work well at all. I'm fine with less features, add them when they are ready. I would maybe try it again after a rewrite. Anybody have good alternatives? For me most important was exposing my files to other users and giving them access selectively. Also syncing files to the app would have been a great feature for me (this caused the most issues for me).
- _frkl 6y ago
  It sounds like Seafile would be worthwhile for you to look into, they do syncing quite well (based on a simplified version of git - its quite fast as they don't have to up-/download the whole file if it changes), and sharing also works fine. Doesn't have a lot of other features, but what it does it does relatively well. There are a few issues as with everything, esp. setup and updating is a bit annoying, but overall I'd recommend it. Can also do end to end encryption (with a few caveats, but IMHO good enough).
LukasReschke 6y ago
Earlier discussion from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25869798 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25869798
ecf 6y ago
Seems like a nice update to a piece of software that needs a way to standout against their, arguably, more popular fork. However... > ownCloud Infinite Scale This type of branding makes me nauseous.
nix23 6y ago
Using Nextcloud myself, that would be a good point to migrate. Nextcloud is not bad but sometimes i think the releases are not tested enough, with every release there is a problem, often not big ones but it's a bit to hmmm needy? And there is also Seafile which is often forgotten: https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ https://www.seafile.com/en/home/
hedora 6y ago
Rewriting in go sounds great, but why microservices? Isn’t the target audience the “throw this onto a Raspberry PI / NAS and forget it” crowd? I can’t imagine people wanting to administer dozens of independent daemons for such a setup.
- yumraj 6y ago
  I’m guessing one potential advantage could be that it makes open source development with numerous contributors easier to manage. Different contributors focus on smaller codebases without worrying about building the whole monolithic product.
- folmar 6y ago
  A lot of applications are shipped as a bunch of services with included supervisor, and normally the administrator is not expected to fiddle with individual services. See for instance Gitlab.
- rakoo 6y ago
  The product is clearly targeted at enterprises: https://owncloud.com/product/ https://owncloud.com/product/
mmmeff 6y ago
The logo is really bad

xxel 6y ago

NextCloud is more than enough for me with full secure setup. I do remmember pulled the repo of ownCloud on some dietpi and I did not liked it. UI a bit oldscool and borring source code.

COGlory 6y ago
>borring source code Based on the article, this looks to be a massive overhaul of the source, switching to Golang.
- xxel 6y ago
  Based on the articke NOW. My comment is based on the PAST experience.
Jnr 6y ago
I hope you do know that NextCloud is a fork of ownCloud. NextCloud is probably just as boring. :) I use Nextcloud and it is very dated and with poor performance in multiple areas. I was expecting someone would come and make a more modern open source private cloud server in Go or Rust, but I did not expect ownCloud to do the rewrite. Nice!
- djeiasbsbo 6y ago
  The newest version of NextCloud is perfectly fine, not sure if you have tried that. It is fast, extensible and due to its status, many clients and apps can sync to NextCloud. At this point it is known enough, that it can replace sonething like iCloud for anyone looking to switch.
  - nix23 6y ago
    Well it's not all good and fine, for example the Android sync client. Just the new media is uploaded, not the existing one. https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-doesnt-android-client-upload-existing-pictures/10365/46 https://help.nextcloud.com/t/why-doesnt-android-client-uploa...
    - djeiasbsbo 6y ago
      Okay, noted. I use a third party client on Android which works fine, but I haven't tried thw official one.
  - Jnr 6y ago
    That is the marketing side - reality is different. I am always running the latest stable version. Phone sync is terrible (does not work properly), opening gallery view with a few images takes from 30sec to never, iOS app crashes frequently, there are all kinds of UI glitches, etc. Almost all of these problems have been reported in their bug tracker, some of them have been there for years, but since those are not that relevant for their business customers, they don't really fix them.
viraptor 6y ago
> borring source code That sounds like a positive thing to be honest.
- nix23 6y ago
  That's probably the best quality-feature one can give to source-code.

denysvitali 6y ago

Wow. This really looks interesting! Ditching PHP for Golang and a full rewrite? Kudos!

acct776 6y ago
Is this going to make migrating from NextCloud worthwhile for security or speed reasons?
- m-p-3 6y ago
  I'd probably consider it if it was faster and lighter on resources.
a012 6y ago
Definitely interesting. Even more impressive on their release notes of Tech Preview: https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/releases/tag/v1.0.0 https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/releases/tag/v1.0.0
belval 6y ago
It's also a smart move because I'd be a willing to bet Go is more approchable to would be contributors.

nickik 6y ago

I was not very happy with the ownCloud product and this rewirte was very much needed. I seem like they were just adding feature but tons of it just didn't work well at all. I'm fine with less features, add them when they are ready. I would maybe try it again after a rewrite. Anybody have good alternatives? For me most important was exposing my files to other users and giving them access selectively. Also syncing files to the app would have been a great feature for me (this caused the most issues for me).

_frkl 6y ago
It sounds like Seafile would be worthwhile for you to look into, they do syncing quite well (based on a simplified version of git - its quite fast as they don't have to up-/download the whole file if it changes), and sharing also works fine. Doesn't have a lot of other features, but what it does it does relatively well. There are a few issues as with everything, esp. setup and updating is a bit annoying, but overall I'd recommend it. Can also do end to end encryption (with a few caveats, but IMHO good enough).

LukasReschke 6y ago

Earlier discussion from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25869798 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25869798

ecf 6y ago

Seems like a nice update to a piece of software that needs a way to standout against their, arguably, more popular fork. However... > ownCloud Infinite Scale This type of branding makes me nauseous.

nix23 6y ago

Using Nextcloud myself, that would be a good point to migrate. Nextcloud is not bad but sometimes i think the releases are not tested enough, with every release there is a problem, often not big ones but it's a bit to hmmm needy? And there is also Seafile which is often forgotten: https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ https://www.seafile.com/en/home/

hedora 6y ago

Rewriting in go sounds great, but why microservices? Isn’t the target audience the “throw this onto a Raspberry PI / NAS and forget it” crowd? I can’t imagine people wanting to administer dozens of independent daemons for such a setup.

yumraj 6y ago
I’m guessing one potential advantage could be that it makes open source development with numerous contributors easier to manage. Different contributors focus on smaller codebases without worrying about building the whole monolithic product.
folmar 6y ago
A lot of applications are shipped as a bunch of services with included supervisor, and normally the administrator is not expected to fiddle with individual services. See for instance Gitlab.
rakoo 6y ago
The product is clearly targeted at enterprises: https://owncloud.com/product/ https://owncloud.com/product/

mmmeff 6y ago

The logo is really bad