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I don't agree that React is not enterprise ready. The mistake OP made was reaching for Redux for some weird reason. Redux-saga, _thunks_? I guarantee this proje

I don't agree that React is not enterprise ready. The mistake OP made was reaching for Redux for some weird reason. Redux-saga, _thunks_? I guarantee this project used thunks of some kind because some blogger posted about it and it was popular and trendy. Pick boring tech that's objectively simple and not an exercise in genius. mobx, today: apollo-client (if you have a graphql api). I've never seen any other project stain a framework as much as Redux has done. Also, he had a ton of organizational issues that have nothing to do with the tech.

zumu 6y ago
> I've never seen any other project stain a framework as much as Redux has done. Is there a good article that would summarize the backlash against Redux? While I don't do front-end much anymore, Redux was such a productive tool for me when I was a contractor. I found it incredibly powerful and easy to work with, if cerebral for the uninitiated. Meanwhile, I had the exact opposite experience with apollo-client and the apollo framework—very easy to get up and running, but a giant pita for doing anything complex.
- nawgz 6y ago
  It sounds like GP drank the mobx juice to me. Honestly, after using mobx, it's almost impossible to understand why Redux is popular. MobX is more concise, more performant, has a crazy amount of built-in optimizations, and lets you forget about tracing your crazy graph of relationships just to update some view. Of course, mobx had "bad" (read: used decorators) syntax for a while, and only with MobX 6 did they clean it up, but boy oh boy is it clean now
  - erlich 6y ago
    How would you compare MobX vs. Apollo + React Context?
legerdemain 6y ago
Given the choice of MobX vs Redux, I don't understand how a library with one ninth the number of downloads on NPM is the more "boring" one.
- sergiotapia 6y ago
  use it, you'll know why it's qualified as "boring".
erlich 6y ago
Agree! Redux is never needed and was always a bad choice IMHO. The goals of it seem so misaligned with developer productivity. It was small, elegant library for the sake of being small. Ultimate flexibility that can do everything, but then required building heaps of stuff on top of it, and favoring this immutable one-way flow that just complicated things riding on the coat tails of flux. > I've never seen any other project stain a framework as much as Redux has done. 100%

zumu 6y ago

> I've never seen any other project stain a framework as much as Redux has done. Is there a good article that would summarize the backlash against Redux? While I don't do front-end much anymore, Redux was such a productive tool for me when I was a contractor. I found it incredibly powerful and easy to work with, if cerebral for the uninitiated. Meanwhile, I had the exact opposite experience with apollo-client and the apollo framework—very easy to get up and running, but a giant pita for doing anything complex.

nawgz 6y ago
It sounds like GP drank the mobx juice to me. Honestly, after using mobx, it's almost impossible to understand why Redux is popular. MobX is more concise, more performant, has a crazy amount of built-in optimizations, and lets you forget about tracing your crazy graph of relationships just to update some view. Of course, mobx had "bad" (read: used decorators) syntax for a while, and only with MobX 6 did they clean it up, but boy oh boy is it clean now
- erlich 6y ago
  How would you compare MobX vs. Apollo + React Context?

legerdemain 6y ago

Given the choice of MobX vs Redux, I don't understand how a library with one ninth the number of downloads on NPM is the more "boring" one.

sergiotapia 6y ago
use it, you'll know why it's qualified as "boring".

erlich 6y ago

Agree! Redux is never needed and was always a bad choice IMHO. The goals of it seem so misaligned with developer productivity. It was small, elegant library for the sake of being small. Ultimate flexibility that can do everything, but then required building heaps of stuff on top of it, and favoring this immutable one-way flow that just complicated things riding on the coat tails of flux. > I've never seen any other project stain a framework as much as Redux has done. 100%