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They have bitten off an even bigger chunk of the meal they had nearly finished already: - Developers - Creatives - Dutiful citizens of The Ecosystem What th

They have bitten off an even bigger chunk of the meal they had nearly finished already: - Developers - Creatives - Dutiful citizens of The Ecosystem What they are no closer to biting off is gamers and hardware enthusiasts. Anyone who actually needs to open their PC for any purpose whatsoever. I know Apple wants to be the glossy Eve to all the PC market's Wall-E's, but I will continue to shun them forcefully as long as they remain hell-bent on stifling the nerdy half of all of their users. I assume the developer popularity is a result of the iPhone gold rush, which Apple exploited using exclusivity tactics. Therefore I consider it an abomination to see developers embrace the platform so thoroughly. iPhone development should feel shameful, and when there's no way to avoid it, it should be done on a dusty Mac Mini pulled from a cardboard box that was sitting in the closet ;)

bonestamp2 6y ago
> I assume the developer popularity is a result of the iPhone gold rush, which Apple exploited using exclusivity tactics. Therefore I consider it an abomination to see developers embrace the platform so thoroughly. That's not why most developers I know use macs. We use them because we got tired of spending a couple days a year (on average) unfucking our Windows machine after something goes wrong. When you're a developer, you're often installing, uninstalling and changing things... much more than the average personal or business user. That means there are a lot of opportunities for things to go wrong, and they do. Even most Google employees were using macs until they themselves started making high end Chromebooks; tens of thousands of google employees still use macs. Some users have moved on to linux, but most stay on mac because they want to spend time in the OS and not on the OS. I can appreciate both perspectives, there's no right answer for everyone. I share your wish that the hardware was more serviceable but everything is a compromise at the end of the day and that's the compromise I'm willing to take in exchange for the other benefits. Some complain about the price, but the high end macbook pros aren't even more expensive than windows workstation laptops. Our company actually saved several hundred dollars per machine when we switched from ThinkPads with the same specs. Not to mention, our IT support costs were cut almost in half with macs. So, aside from gaming or some specific edgecase requirements, it's hard for me to justify owning a PC. That said, I have one of those edgecase requirements with one of my clients so I have a ThinkPad just for them. But, it stays in a drawer when I'm not working on that specific thing.
- evilduck 6y ago
  On the gaming front, I've been trying GeForce Now recently and while it may not be great for competitive FPS games, it has otherwise destroyed any reason why I'd ever purchase another gaming PC unless they start jacking up the monthly price. It works on basically all platforms (including my iOS devices), it doesn't spin up my MBP's fans and doesn't eat through battery life. I don't have to worry about ARM vs x86, I don't even get locked in to the platform like Stadia, it connects to Steam, Epic and GOG.
evilduck 6y ago
Wow, obvious bias much? Great way to engage in reasonable, level headed conversation is to lead with telling people they should be ashamed for not holding your values and opinions. I honestly can't think of a better way to demonstrate to most people why they _should_ get a Mac than to just show off comments like yours.
- MetaWhirledPeas 6y ago
  Convince me otherwise! :)

bonestamp2 6y ago

> I assume the developer popularity is a result of the iPhone gold rush, which Apple exploited using exclusivity tactics. Therefore I consider it an abomination to see developers embrace the platform so thoroughly. That's not why most developers I know use macs. We use them because we got tired of spending a couple days a year (on average) unfucking our Windows machine after something goes wrong. When you're a developer, you're often installing, uninstalling and changing things... much more than the average personal or business user. That means there are a lot of opportunities for things to go wrong, and they do. Even most Google employees were using macs until they themselves started making high end Chromebooks; tens of thousands of google employees still use macs. Some users have moved on to linux, but most stay on mac because they want to spend time in the OS and not on the OS. I can appreciate both perspectives, there's no right answer for everyone. I share your wish that the hardware was more serviceable but everything is a compromise at the end of the day and that's the compromise I'm willing to take in exchange for the other benefits. Some complain about the price, but the high end macbook pros aren't even more expensive than windows workstation laptops. Our company actually saved several hundred dollars per machine when we switched from ThinkPads with the same specs. Not to mention, our IT support costs were cut almost in half with macs. So, aside from gaming or some specific edgecase requirements, it's hard for me to justify owning a PC. That said, I have one of those edgecase requirements with one of my clients so I have a ThinkPad just for them. But, it stays in a drawer when I'm not working on that specific thing.

evilduck 6y ago
On the gaming front, I've been trying GeForce Now recently and while it may not be great for competitive FPS games, it has otherwise destroyed any reason why I'd ever purchase another gaming PC unless they start jacking up the monthly price. It works on basically all platforms (including my iOS devices), it doesn't spin up my MBP's fans and doesn't eat through battery life. I don't have to worry about ARM vs x86, I don't even get locked in to the platform like Stadia, it connects to Steam, Epic and GOG.

evilduck 6y ago

Wow, obvious bias much? Great way to engage in reasonable, level headed conversation is to lead with telling people they should be ashamed for not holding your values and opinions. I honestly can't think of a better way to demonstrate to most people why they _should_ get a Mac than to just show off comments like yours.

MetaWhirledPeas 6y ago
Convince me otherwise! :)