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Suppose a group of passengers started a violent revolution against the pilot, and killed a flight attendant. Would you say that the pilot was being reasonable

Suppose a group of passengers started a violent revolution against the pilot, and killed a flight attendant. Would you say that the pilot was being reasonable to throw them off the flight?

kortilla 6y ago
It’s a simple question about stats. How often does Amazon kick off services because of weak moderation and not because of illegal content? It’s not like these posts were not called out by government officials as illegal needing takedown that Parler refused to comply with. Your analogy is shitty because there was no violent revolution conducted by Parler against Amazon. The correct Analogy is the airline pilot kicking off any Parler employees traveling for business. That’s it.
- tptacek 6y ago
  That analogy makes very little sense, because an airline carrying Parler employees is in no meaningful sense an operational part of Parler's business, while AWS clearly is. I think you're reaching. It doesn't much matter; this case is dead in the water.
  - kortilla 6y ago
    It wasn’t my analogy to begin with. I was illustrating how stupid the analogy was to a passenger threatening the pilot. Parler didn’t threaten Amazon. If you want to argue that travel isn’t essential to a business’s employees, that’s fine. My original question still stands though. How often does Amazon kick off tenants when they haven’t broken laws or abused technology (e.g. spammers)?
    - tptacek 6y ago
      What does "abused technology" mean? The answer is that it means approximately what Amazon and its customers agree it means, as expressed in their contracts. Your personal norms about what abuse is and isn't aren't relevant, because Amazon made theirs clear in their contracts. Technologists on message boards who are shocked and offended at Amazon's decision are generally tipping their hands that they don't ever have contracts reviewed, or really even think about them in their day-to-day work. A plain reading of Amazon's terms --- not to mention having paid attention to how cloud providers handled Gab --- made it clear that Parler's position was untenable.

Suppose a group of passengers started a violent revolution against the pilot, and killed a flight attendant. Would you say that the pilot was being reasonable to throw them off the flight?

kortilla 6y ago

It’s a simple question about stats. How often does Amazon kick off services because of weak moderation and not because of illegal content? It’s not like these posts were not called out by government officials as illegal needing takedown that Parler refused to comply with. Your analogy is shitty because there was no violent revolution conducted by Parler against Amazon. The correct Analogy is the airline pilot kicking off any Parler employees traveling for business. That’s it.

tptacek 6y ago
That analogy makes very little sense, because an airline carrying Parler employees is in no meaningful sense an operational part of Parler's business, while AWS clearly is. I think you're reaching. It doesn't much matter; this case is dead in the water.
- kortilla 6y ago
  It wasn’t my analogy to begin with. I was illustrating how stupid the analogy was to a passenger threatening the pilot. Parler didn’t threaten Amazon. If you want to argue that travel isn’t essential to a business’s employees, that’s fine. My original question still stands though. How often does Amazon kick off tenants when they haven’t broken laws or abused technology (e.g. spammers)?
  - tptacek 6y ago
    What does "abused technology" mean? The answer is that it means approximately what Amazon and its customers agree it means, as expressed in their contracts. Your personal norms about what abuse is and isn't aren't relevant, because Amazon made theirs clear in their contracts. Technologists on message boards who are shocked and offended at Amazon's decision are generally tipping their hands that they don't ever have contracts reviewed, or really even think about them in their day-to-day work. A plain reading of Amazon's terms --- not to mention having paid attention to how cloud providers handled Gab --- made it clear that Parler's position was untenable.