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The motivation for a lot of this discussion lately is people leaving WhatsApp for something that is more privacy respecting; for the reasons I said above (espec

The motivation for a lot of this discussion lately is people leaving WhatsApp for something that is more privacy respecting; for the reasons I said above (especially the monetization point), Telegram is maybe no better than sticking with WhatsApp or FB Messenger.

emptysongglass 6y ago
Telegram does not have and will not have a monetization model that sells user privacy. Durov has been explicit in this. [1] And it should be made clear that Telegram was forced into this position by the SEC who torpedoed any chance Telegram had of building out a decentralized network (TON). [1] https://t.me/durov/142 https://t.me/durov/142
- im3w1l 6y ago
  We heard a lot of promises about Whatsapp too, about how it wouldn't share data with Facebook. Promises are worth nothing.
  - emptysongglass 6y ago
    Which is why you should look at what Telegram has actually done and that has been to protect and preserve the privacy of its users since the beginning.
  - decrypt 6y ago
    It's commonly misquoted that WhatsApp data will be shared with Facebook, but the Signal protocol for WhatsApp personal chats remains as is. It's the WhatsApp user-business communication that will be visible on third-party interfaces, like Facebook. It's in this process the e2ee aspect of the chat is lost. [1] Overall, WhatsApp still remains a safe platform for 1:1 communications and group chats, but there are still many other factors that could be sold by Facebook, including location data, contact info, online status, and other aspects of the platform. Durov did announce plans to offer more features for premium customers. [2] Hopefully that will help offset their hosting/development costs, without them succumbing to data selling practices. [1] https://gizmodo.com/this-was-whatsapps-plan-all-along-1846060382 https://gizmodo.com/this-was-whatsapps-plan-all-along-184606... [2] https://t.me/durov/142 https://t.me/durov/142
    - NeutronStar 6y ago
      I remember a certain recent debacle with Occulus and Facebook, I simply cannot trust Facebook anymore.
ymolodtsov 6y ago
Telegram is a better app.

emptysongglass 6y ago

Telegram does not have and will not have a monetization model that sells user privacy. Durov has been explicit in this. [1] And it should be made clear that Telegram was forced into this position by the SEC who torpedoed any chance Telegram had of building out a decentralized network (TON). [1] https://t.me/durov/142 https://t.me/durov/142

im3w1l 6y ago
We heard a lot of promises about Whatsapp too, about how it wouldn't share data with Facebook. Promises are worth nothing.
- emptysongglass 6y ago
  Which is why you should look at what Telegram has actually done and that has been to protect and preserve the privacy of its users since the beginning.
- decrypt 6y ago
  It's commonly misquoted that WhatsApp data will be shared with Facebook, but the Signal protocol for WhatsApp personal chats remains as is. It's the WhatsApp user-business communication that will be visible on third-party interfaces, like Facebook. It's in this process the e2ee aspect of the chat is lost. [1] Overall, WhatsApp still remains a safe platform for 1:1 communications and group chats, but there are still many other factors that could be sold by Facebook, including location data, contact info, online status, and other aspects of the platform. Durov did announce plans to offer more features for premium customers. [2] Hopefully that will help offset their hosting/development costs, without them succumbing to data selling practices. [1] https://gizmodo.com/this-was-whatsapps-plan-all-along-1846060382 https://gizmodo.com/this-was-whatsapps-plan-all-along-184606... [2] https://t.me/durov/142 https://t.me/durov/142
  - NeutronStar 6y ago
    I remember a certain recent debacle with Occulus and Facebook, I simply cannot trust Facebook anymore.

ymolodtsov 6y ago

Telegram is a better app.