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It's one of the (dirty?) pleasures in the work-life, isn't it? I still treasure getting to the stage in my life when I could afford to stop saying what my salar

It's one of the (dirty?) pleasures in the work-life, isn't it? I still treasure getting to the stage in my life when I could afford to stop saying what my salary expectation was outside of "fair in relation to the market and my experience". Recruiter H/R: "We need to hear your salary requirements to move forward with this position". me: "I would like to hear your offer". Recruiter / HR: "We won't be able to consider your candidacy without your salary expectations" Me: "Then, despite my interest in this outstanding company, and the high value I believe I can contribute to it, I will be forced to go with the employers that make a salary offer first". Best fuck I ever had.

lmilcin 6y ago
Or, better yet, instead of sinking that negotiation 100% of the time after your last sentence, you could give obviously large sum and tell them you are open to negotiation once you had your chance to present yourself and the company present themselves. Not only this shows a little more negotiation savvy, but once in a blue moon this could give you an offer you have not expected. For example, they could just say "OK".
- NotPavlovsDog 6y ago
  If you have the luxury of affording spending time on multiple interviews, very sound point!
xyzelement 6y ago
Who do you think you are screwing by cutting off your opportunities at the root? :) As the other reply pointed out, you are cutting yourself (a) out of the conversation (b) out of finding out what your actual range is. Here's a dirty secret for you - very often the recruiters don't share the range because the range is broad, they may fill the role with a mid-level or a super-senior at 2x the comp. If they tell you the range, it's likely a more cookie cutter mid-level role and you don't even get to learn where you could land (or what your level doesn't hit and maybe you want to work toward)
- mszcz 6y ago
  > because the range is broad You make it sound like if they don't tell you what the range is, they are somehow doing you a favor. No, if they don't tell you the range it's not because they're nice or whatever, but because they're trying to get you to sign on for the lowest amount possible. If you hear the range is larger than what you were expecting, you're gonna try to hit that upper bound. Both positions are understandable from their own points of view, no hard feelings here. But, in general, the recruiter is not your friend and not there to help you. Them not disclosing information is to their advantage, not to yours.
  - kelp 6y ago
    In California they are legally required to tell you the range if you ask.
    - NotPavlovsDog 6y ago
      Would you happen to know if this is a) for california-based employers, regardless of seeker status b) for california-based job seekers only?
      - diggernet 6y ago
        The text of Labor Code 432.3(c) is: An employer, upon reasonable request, shall provide the pay scale for a position to an applicant applying for employment. For purposes of this section, “pay scale” means a salary or hourly wage range. For purposes of this section “reasonable request” means a request made after an applicant has completed an initial interview with the employer. Based on the wording, in that it appears to be addressing employers in the law's jurisdiction, I believe the answer is a).
        NotPavlovsDog 6y ago
        Thank you for taking the time to look that up!
  - 6y ago
raverbashing 6y ago
I just give them the salary I want to make (which is easy because what's on my paycheck + stock opts is a good enough value) so either they go for it or they will decline. It's a good way to see if they mean it or not So yeah sorry, not moving for a lower value
- NotPavlovsDog 6y ago
  Would that strategy perhaps be excluding a higher salary with those willing to pay more than your maximum ask? (genuine question, no sarcasm)
  - Viliam1234 6y ago
    No strategy is perfect if you have imperfect information. You just choose between different risk profiles. Probably the simplest strategy would be to always ask for the amount you curently make, plus 30% or 50%. And keep interviewing once in a while even if you are okay with your current job. If you asked for less than you could get, the next jump will fix it. Then don't increase your expenses, save the extra money, retire early.
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lmilcin 6y ago

Or, better yet, instead of sinking that negotiation 100% of the time after your last sentence, you could give obviously large sum and tell them you are open to negotiation once you had your chance to present yourself and the company present themselves. Not only this shows a little more negotiation savvy, but once in a blue moon this could give you an offer you have not expected. For example, they could just say "OK".

NotPavlovsDog 6y ago
If you have the luxury of affording spending time on multiple interviews, very sound point!

xyzelement 6y ago

Who do you think you are screwing by cutting off your opportunities at the root? :) As the other reply pointed out, you are cutting yourself (a) out of the conversation (b) out of finding out what your actual range is. Here's a dirty secret for you - very often the recruiters don't share the range because the range is broad, they may fill the role with a mid-level or a super-senior at 2x the comp. If they tell you the range, it's likely a more cookie cutter mid-level role and you don't even get to learn where you could land (or what your level doesn't hit and maybe you want to work toward)

mszcz 6y ago
> because the range is broad You make it sound like if they don't tell you what the range is, they are somehow doing you a favor. No, if they don't tell you the range it's not because they're nice or whatever, but because they're trying to get you to sign on for the lowest amount possible. If you hear the range is larger than what you were expecting, you're gonna try to hit that upper bound. Both positions are understandable from their own points of view, no hard feelings here. But, in general, the recruiter is not your friend and not there to help you. Them not disclosing information is to their advantage, not to yours.
- kelp 6y ago
  In California they are legally required to tell you the range if you ask.
  - NotPavlovsDog 6y ago
    Would you happen to know if this is a) for california-based employers, regardless of seeker status b) for california-based job seekers only?
    - diggernet 6y ago
      The text of Labor Code 432.3(c) is: An employer, upon reasonable request, shall provide the pay scale for a position to an applicant applying for employment. For purposes of this section, “pay scale” means a salary or hourly wage range. For purposes of this section “reasonable request” means a request made after an applicant has completed an initial interview with the employer. Based on the wording, in that it appears to be addressing employers in the law's jurisdiction, I believe the answer is a).
      - NotPavlovsDog 6y ago
        Thank you for taking the time to look that up!
- 6y ago

raverbashing 6y ago

I just give them the salary I want to make (which is easy because what's on my paycheck + stock opts is a good enough value) so either they go for it or they will decline. It's a good way to see if they mean it or not So yeah sorry, not moving for a lower value

NotPavlovsDog 6y ago
Would that strategy perhaps be excluding a higher salary with those willing to pay more than your maximum ask? (genuine question, no sarcasm)
- Viliam1234 6y ago
  No strategy is perfect if you have imperfect information. You just choose between different risk profiles. Probably the simplest strategy would be to always ask for the amount you curently make, plus 30% or 50%. And keep interviewing once in a while even if you are okay with your current job. If you asked for less than you could get, the next jump will fix it. Then don't increase your expenses, save the extra money, retire early.

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