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there are still plenty of tweets that havent been deleted.

watwut 6y ago
Yes. And it does not matter, because perfection is not required. Requiring perfection is just rhetorical trick to create false equivalency. Amazon did not required perfection from Parler. Amazon is taking down Parler, because Parler did not even pretended to care about the issue. They have not done even token effort. Amazon is not taking down Parler for few bad message Parler did missed or were ambiguous. Instead, Parler refused to take down messages Amazon pointed at few weeks ago. If Amazon sends twitter similar messages and twitter will ignore the Amazon for weeks or will respond with "we cant take them down, impossible", then it would be the same. That did not happened.
- ThomPete 6y ago
  You are missing the point. Why Parler? There are lots of other social media platforms out there using AWS with the same kind of rhetoric so that's not a good explanation or reason.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    The general class of rhetoric is not the issue. The complete failure to take action about specific, identified pieces of content when notified about it is the issue. Now
    - ThomPete 6y ago
      You are missing the point too. Why did someone decide for that specific case and not the numerous others by ex. Twitter that are still there. Picking on the little guy just because they are little seems to be a pretty questionable move.
      - watwut 6y ago
        > Why did someone decide for that specific case and not the numerous others by ex. Twitter that are still there. 1.) Twitter was not there and is not there yet. They will be there tho. 2.) Twitter was literally closing accounts and deleting tweets that called for violence. There was quite a lot of complaining where twitter done it in ambiguous situations. Twitter was not perfect. But twitter was definitely at least trying. Twitter would not had issue to delete clear calls for violence that Amazon would point to them for weeks - the way Parler acted. The fact is, it is simply not true that twitter would be acting as parler regarding censorship of calls for violence. In fact, it is a lie. Parler did not done even token pretend you are trying to effort. Twitter does much more then that. 3.) Parler is not little guy, they have Mercer money.
  - TomSwirly 6y ago
    "Because you haven't yet punished all offenders, you can't punish any of them." Am I getting your argument right? Parler was the most gratuitous because: 1. They had a combination of very tight censorship of dissenting voices, and complete laissez-faire for violent and racist rhetoric as long as it was right wing. 2. It was used to organize a violent and very public revolution against the United States of America, which resulted in five deaths. You almost certainly knew all these things already. The likely reason you are supporting Parler in this comment is because you agree with their political stance.
    - ThomPete 6y ago
      It must be nice to be a mind reader. I don't care about Parler or crazy righ-wingers. I just care about the inconsistency with which these big platforms seems to be acting and so far I haven't seen anything provide a proper explanation for why Parler and not some of the other social networks out there.
      - watwut 6y ago
        There is explanation - both in this thread and in Amazons response to lawsuit which is public. You don't care about fairness, you are just trying to convince people that there was inconsistency - by ignoring massive differences between how the two platforms operated. Parler was acting differently then Twitter.

Yes. And it does not matter, because perfection is not required. Requiring perfection is just rhetorical trick to create false equivalency. Amazon did not required perfection from Parler. Amazon is taking down Parler, because Parler did not even pretended to care about the issue. They have not done even token effort. Amazon is not taking down Parler for few bad message Parler did missed or were ambiguous. Instead, Parler refused to take down messages Amazon pointed at few weeks ago. If Amazon sends twitter similar messages and twitter will ignore the Amazon for weeks or will respond with "we cant take them down, impossible", then it would be the same. That did not happened.

ThomPete 6y ago
You are missing the point. Why Parler? There are lots of other social media platforms out there using AWS with the same kind of rhetoric so that's not a good explanation or reason.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  The general class of rhetoric is not the issue. The complete failure to take action about specific, identified pieces of content when notified about it is the issue. Now
  - ThomPete 6y ago
    You are missing the point too. Why did someone decide for that specific case and not the numerous others by ex. Twitter that are still there. Picking on the little guy just because they are little seems to be a pretty questionable move.
    - watwut 6y ago
      > Why did someone decide for that specific case and not the numerous others by ex. Twitter that are still there. 1.) Twitter was not there and is not there yet. They will be there tho. 2.) Twitter was literally closing accounts and deleting tweets that called for violence. There was quite a lot of complaining where twitter done it in ambiguous situations. Twitter was not perfect. But twitter was definitely at least trying. Twitter would not had issue to delete clear calls for violence that Amazon would point to them for weeks - the way Parler acted. The fact is, it is simply not true that twitter would be acting as parler regarding censorship of calls for violence. In fact, it is a lie. Parler did not done even token pretend you are trying to effort. Twitter does much more then that. 3.) Parler is not little guy, they have Mercer money.
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  "Because you haven't yet punished all offenders, you can't punish any of them." Am I getting your argument right? Parler was the most gratuitous because: 1. They had a combination of very tight censorship of dissenting voices, and complete laissez-faire for violent and racist rhetoric as long as it was right wing. 2. It was used to organize a violent and very public revolution against the United States of America, which resulted in five deaths. You almost certainly knew all these things already. The likely reason you are supporting Parler in this comment is because you agree with their political stance.
  - ThomPete 6y ago
    It must be nice to be a mind reader. I don't care about Parler or crazy righ-wingers. I just care about the inconsistency with which these big platforms seems to be acting and so far I haven't seen anything provide a proper explanation for why Parler and not some of the other social networks out there.
    - watwut 6y ago
      There is explanation - both in this thread and in Amazons response to lawsuit which is public. You don't care about fairness, you are just trying to convince people that there was inconsistency - by ignoring massive differences between how the two platforms operated. Parler was acting differently then Twitter.