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"I got an email from Balaji Srinivasan, a man whose anti-corporate-media crusade straddles a previously unrecognized border between endearing and terrifying. He
by htshnr 6y ago
"I got an email from Balaji Srinivasan, a man whose anti-corporate-media crusade straddles a previously unrecognized border between endearing and terrifying. He had some very creative suggestions for how to deal with journalists. I'm not sure any of them were especially actionable, at least not while the Geneva Convention remains in effect. But it was still a good learning experience. In particular, I learned never to make an enemy of Balaji Srinivasan. I am humbled by his support."
Top notch.
- morsch 6y agoIn another context I'd find such oblique references to violence crass and offensive. I don't particularly enjoy them here, either.
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- morsch 6y agoOkay, I changed my mind, on second read I can tell that he's being ironic. Wow. That is pretty top notch.
- user-the-name 6y agoYou think threatening violence against journalists is "top notch"? Is that what Hacker News is now? Has it really descended that far into actual fascism?
- arc-in-space 6y agoThis is an overly hostile reading of the above comment, Scott certainly didn't, and wouldn't, threaten violence against anyone.
- user-the-name 6y agoHe will not threaten it. But he sure isn't doing a damn thing to condemn it, and seems positively giddy about having the support of those who apparently do want to threaten journalists.
- mkr-hn 6y agoThere is so much context in the rest of the newsletter that makes it clear Scott is not the sort of person who supports violence against journalists.
- user-the-name 6y agoNo, he's just the kind of person who is happy to be associated with those who do.
- cinericius 6y agoI don't even think the user who posted the comment was in support of violence against journalists, much less the author as others have said. Additionally, journalists are just journalists. Sometimes, knowingly or unknowingly, the things they publish work in favour of fascists and fascism.
- nkohari 6y agoI'm fairly certain they were saying the excerpt they pasted was "top notch", not the idea of violence towards journalists.
- user-the-name 6y agoThe excerpt is a cutesy tacit approval of violence against journalists.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoThis is how Scott writes when he's describing something he disagrees with but doesn't want to get into just now because he's making a point about something else. It's tacit disapproval, but not quite strong enough that people will go off on a tangent about it in the comments (though they still do).
- user-the-name 6y agoIs it though? Or is it how he writes when he can't bring himself to properly condemn something because he doesn't truly want to, and it is you who assumes he disapproves, even though he never says he does? Because there is a lot of stuff he seems to be quite fine with that most people assume he would disapprove of because it is truly awful.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago> Because there is a lot of stuff he seems to be quite fine with that most people assume he would disapprove of because it is truly awful. Give me an example, and I can probably find somewhere he's explicitly, unabashedly condemned it, and you probably can't find somewhere he's condoned it. Most of the places I've found myself in disagreement¹ with Scott Alexander, it's turned out that I was the one who hadn't thought through the moral implications of the thing I condoned. ¹: Excluding philosophical disagreement along the lines of “what should we care about?” – what would be religious disagreement were he religious, which most people in my culture don't consider a sign of evil.
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- wizzwizz4 6y agoExplains the joke: It starts off with normal support, goes towards outlandish support, then concerning support, then ethically-questionable “support”, and after every one, Scott's written “I am humbled by [pronoun] support”.
- tacitusarc 6y agoNow? As opposed to 3 months ago when you made this account?
- xorx 6y agoIt's not super uncommon for people who've been on HN for years to create alts, new accounts, throwaways, finally decided to stop lurking, etc. ahem :)
- undefined1 6y agoTry a good faith interpretation. Then you'll understand what they actually meant.
- xenophonf 6y agoGood faith got us the 1/6 coup attempt. It's time we hold public figures to a higher standard. This is not the time to joke about violence against journalists.
- zepto 6y agoWhat do you think of the journalists not caring about violence towards Scott? For that matter why is Scott not considered a journalist? Many of his pieces are deeply researched and analytical of current affairs and are certainly comparable to magazine journalism.
- Lazare 6y agoYou have failed to parse what is being said correctly in this case. Imagine: You're clicking around the web, and you find an article posted by a respected food critic and French chef titled "10 food items I detest at McDonalds". You click through, and nod your head at number 6: "Their milkshakes - so called - appear to have no relationship to milk, dairy products, or edibility, and all the flavours taste vaguely of chalk and despair." You laugh in agreement at number 8: "The fries are mediocre when fresh, but quickly congeal under the heat lamps into a starchy, greasy, undigestible brick." But number 7 gives you pause: "The chicken nuggets. The rich flavours, the unique shapes, the delicate breading. What tastier treat could be imagined?" You quickly jump onto social media and post an outraged rant - how could this man like chicken nuggets? You suggest that perhaps he's not as good a critic or chef as imagined, and you float the idea of starting a petition asking for him to be fired. A man who loves chicken nuggets can hardly be trusted in, near, or writing about a kitchen after all, right? But of course, this was sarcasm. It's a list of foods he does not like, and tucked into the middle of this list of foods he does not like is a sarcastic description of chicken nuggets, which he also does not like. Similarly, here, Scott is in the middle of a list of people he disagrees with who contacted him to offer unsolicited, unhelpful advice. One of them is Srinivasan, but his gently mocking description of Srinivasan's advice is no more an endorsement of Srinivasan's views than his description of the Gamergater's offer is an edorsement of Gamergate or their PR efforts. What the person you were responding to was obviously doing was not saying that "threats against journalists is top notch", but that Scott's writing criticising Srinivasan's anti-journalist crusade was top notch. Which is, I think, a fair assessment; it was a well written criticism of Srinivasan.