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Should Australia be able to force US companies to do what they want?

by missedthecue 6y ago

lvs 6y ago
Within their jurisdiction? Yes absolutely. That's call the rule of law.
- Silhouette 6y ago
  One interesting possibility here would be if Google closed down all Australia-based operations -- no more offices, no legal presence, no employees -- and offered its services to Australians purely over the Internet from somewhere else. At that point, Google wouldn't necessarily be within Australia's jurisdiction any more, and all Australia could really do would be either attempt to block access to Google services that was desired by its citizens (and look like China Lite) or attempt to exert some form of leverage on the host nation(s) from which Google was then offering its services (and since that list would presumably start with the US and possibly be followed by lots of places that want to do business with the US, good luck with that one).
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
  But Google won't be in their jurisdiction any more, right? So everything is working as it should? Not a capital strike on democracy. Simply Google and Australia deciding to go their separate ways.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  I think that's called slavery. I'm not talking about having rules. I'm talking about forcing them to work and continue to provide services when they don't want to.
  - lvs 6y ago
    I certainly don't think anyone is forcing Google to do business in any country or anywhere on earth.
    - missedthecue 6y ago
      The parent comment I initially replied to seemed to lament that this wasn't occurring.
      - lvs 6y ago
        I think you either misunderstand the comment or the concept of sovereignty. If you live or do business in a country's sovereign territory, you fall under the jurisdiction and authority of their laws. If you don't live or work there, then you don't.
Fordec 6y ago
Well flip that around for a second to step beyond the US focused bias and see if the logic still holds up. Should the US be able to force Chinese companies to do what the US wants?
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  Yes, but the Chinese companies also have the right to withdraw services based on the rules imposed on them.

Should Australia be able to force US companies to do what they want?

lvs 6y ago

Within their jurisdiction? Yes absolutely. That's call the rule of law.

Silhouette 6y ago
One interesting possibility here would be if Google closed down all Australia-based operations -- no more offices, no legal presence, no employees -- and offered its services to Australians purely over the Internet from somewhere else. At that point, Google wouldn't necessarily be within Australia's jurisdiction any more, and all Australia could really do would be either attempt to block access to Google services that was desired by its citizens (and look like China Lite) or attempt to exert some form of leverage on the host nation(s) from which Google was then offering its services (and since that list would presumably start with the US and possibly be followed by lots of places that want to do business with the US, good luck with that one).
asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
But Google won't be in their jurisdiction any more, right? So everything is working as it should? Not a capital strike on democracy. Simply Google and Australia deciding to go their separate ways.
missedthecue 6y ago
I think that's called slavery. I'm not talking about having rules. I'm talking about forcing them to work and continue to provide services when they don't want to.
- lvs 6y ago
  I certainly don't think anyone is forcing Google to do business in any country or anywhere on earth.
  - missedthecue 6y ago
    The parent comment I initially replied to seemed to lament that this wasn't occurring.
    - lvs 6y ago
      I think you either misunderstand the comment or the concept of sovereignty. If you live or do business in a country's sovereign territory, you fall under the jurisdiction and authority of their laws. If you don't live or work there, then you don't.

Fordec 6y ago

Well flip that around for a second to step beyond the US focused bias and see if the logic still holds up. Should the US be able to force Chinese companies to do what the US wants?

MattGaiser 6y ago
Yes, but the Chinese companies also have the right to withdraw services based on the rules imposed on them.