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When these get put in phones, people will upgrade far less often... that'll put more pressure on the smaller phone companies. Anecdotal - all my friends upgrade

When these get put in phones, people will upgrade far less often... that'll put more pressure on the smaller phone companies. Anecdotal - all my friends upgrade for more batter life or better camera. CPU / OS updates don't really bother them.

dheera 6y ago
> people will upgrade far less often Good! We need to stop manufacturing so much disposable shit. Yes, the economy will take a hit. We need new ways of defining progress than "money spent" and "shit manufactured". There are other ways to define and provide value in a post-modern society.
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  A phone every 3 years is barely a blip in the "disposable stuff" department
  - fomine3 6y ago
    They uses rare metals.
    - zdragnar 6y ago
      They use an utterly insignificant amount compared to an EV though...
      - datameta 6y ago
        So if we have 7.2 millions PEVs (all-electric + hybrid)[0] how does that compare to the 4.8 billion phone users (smart + feature)[1]? If we assume only 1 phone per person (and ignore how many are in landfills) that's 667 phones per electric vehicle. I wonder how that compares in terms of rare earth metal usage. The lifecycle of a vehicle is probably ~2-20 times that of a phone so let's say a single magnitude. That gives us 6600 phones per vehicle lifetime. Granted - the smartphone market will stay within a magnitude (not everyone can be an HK taxi driver with 7 phones) Now global EV adoption will increase by ~3 magnitudes by the time the market saturates and there might be a magnitude separating phone count from EVs. [0] https://evstatistics.com/2020/06/global-electric-vehicle-stock-reaches-7-2-million/ https://evstatistics.com/2020/06/global-electric-vehicle-sto... [1] https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-world https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-w...
- mike00632 6y ago
  Write, buy, sell more software and art!
  - in_me_i_trust 6y ago
    Agreed, we need to change the mindset of being unwilling to pay $5 for an app while spending $1000 on a new phone every 2 years
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
  Apple seems to be moving away from trying to sell more iphones and instead in to getting iphone users to buy more kinds of things. You now have AirPods, the Apple Watch, and a million other things which each can last quite a while but add up to what would have been a new phone every year.
- Triv888 6y ago
  > Yes, the economy will take a hit. Just print money until you make it.
TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
Looking the past couple weeks it looks like the Oppo A72, Oppo A91, and the Moro G series have great battery life and reasonably good reputation. Better battery life that the big players flagship phones. Unfortunately neither of them are IP rated, and I work in a terribly dust environment.
- beauzero 6y ago
  Got a moto g power. Big battery runs 1.5 to 2 days without charger time unless watching more than 2-3 hours of video. Fits my browsing and talking needs. Camera is pretty good to buy I barely use a phone camera.
- Lev1a 6y ago
  I'll also endorse the Moto G series of which I've had the G1 (Sep '14), the G4 (Oct '16) and am now using the "Motorola One" (Jan '19) which is/was in almost the exact price bracket (200-230€) and they were/are all really good phones. Very good battery life, quite fast and long-lived. Makes it even less understandable in my mind how so many people all over the world think they absolutely have to have the newest and most expensive Apple thing every year or few months, spending multiples each year on phones/tablets of what I spend every few years (in the past the phone was either defective or gotten so slow daily use was like trying to walk through mud). The G1 and the G4 after 2+ years of use and a whole bunch of updates (multiple! major Android versions) got really slow and one of them I dropped so the display had a crack horizontally right across the middle, it still worked for MONTHS like that until I decided to get a new phone. All in all, reasonable price for a good long-lived product without all the clutter some phone suppliers bog down their Android versions with, i.e. nearly stock Android with some minor unintrusive additions (from what I can see in my apps list right now: an equalizer app with different automatically activated profiles, an optional Motorola product newsletter app and a diagnostics app to help with troubleshooting and hardware tests).

dheera 6y ago

> people will upgrade far less often Good! We need to stop manufacturing so much disposable shit. Yes, the economy will take a hit. We need new ways of defining progress than "money spent" and "shit manufactured". There are other ways to define and provide value in a post-modern society.

alisonkisk 6y ago
A phone every 3 years is barely a blip in the "disposable stuff" department
- fomine3 6y ago
  They uses rare metals.
  - zdragnar 6y ago
    They use an utterly insignificant amount compared to an EV though...
    - datameta 6y ago
      So if we have 7.2 millions PEVs (all-electric + hybrid)[0] how does that compare to the 4.8 billion phone users (smart + feature)[1]? If we assume only 1 phone per person (and ignore how many are in landfills) that's 667 phones per electric vehicle. I wonder how that compares in terms of rare earth metal usage. The lifecycle of a vehicle is probably ~2-20 times that of a phone so let's say a single magnitude. That gives us 6600 phones per vehicle lifetime. Granted - the smartphone market will stay within a magnitude (not everyone can be an HK taxi driver with 7 phones) Now global EV adoption will increase by ~3 magnitudes by the time the market saturates and there might be a magnitude separating phone count from EVs. [0] https://evstatistics.com/2020/06/global-electric-vehicle-stock-reaches-7-2-million/ https://evstatistics.com/2020/06/global-electric-vehicle-sto... [1] https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-world https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/how-many-phones-are-in-the-w...
mike00632 6y ago
Write, buy, sell more software and art!
- in_me_i_trust 6y ago
  Agreed, we need to change the mindset of being unwilling to pay $5 for an app while spending $1000 on a new phone every 2 years
SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
Apple seems to be moving away from trying to sell more iphones and instead in to getting iphone users to buy more kinds of things. You now have AirPods, the Apple Watch, and a million other things which each can last quite a while but add up to what would have been a new phone every year.
Triv888 6y ago
> Yes, the economy will take a hit. Just print money until you make it.

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago

Looking the past couple weeks it looks like the Oppo A72, Oppo A91, and the Moro G series have great battery life and reasonably good reputation. Better battery life that the big players flagship phones. Unfortunately neither of them are IP rated, and I work in a terribly dust environment.

beauzero 6y ago
Got a moto g power. Big battery runs 1.5 to 2 days without charger time unless watching more than 2-3 hours of video. Fits my browsing and talking needs. Camera is pretty good to buy I barely use a phone camera.
Lev1a 6y ago
I'll also endorse the Moto G series of which I've had the G1 (Sep '14), the G4 (Oct '16) and am now using the "Motorola One" (Jan '19) which is/was in almost the exact price bracket (200-230€) and they were/are all really good phones. Very good battery life, quite fast and long-lived. Makes it even less understandable in my mind how so many people all over the world think they absolutely have to have the newest and most expensive Apple thing every year or few months, spending multiples each year on phones/tablets of what I spend every few years (in the past the phone was either defective or gotten so slow daily use was like trying to walk through mud). The G1 and the G4 after 2+ years of use and a whole bunch of updates (multiple! major Android versions) got really slow and one of them I dropped so the display had a crack horizontally right across the middle, it still worked for MONTHS like that until I decided to get a new phone. All in all, reasonable price for a good long-lived product without all the clutter some phone suppliers bog down their Android versions with, i.e. nearly stock Android with some minor unintrusive additions (from what I can see in my apps list right now: an equalizer app with different automatically activated profiles, an optional Motorola product newsletter app and a diagnostics app to help with troubleshooting and hardware tests).