Exactly! It took us two office hours to get this! In the beginning of our second, he asked us straight out -- "wait, stop selling me. What's the problem you're

Exactly! It took us two office hours to get this! In the beginning of our second, he asked us straight out -- "wait, stop selling me. What's the problem you're trying to solve here?" Going with six ears helped too -- we'd always debrief after the office hours, and talk about what he said, and none of us had the full picture. The dude talks fast and covers a lot of ground! -- Devoted PG fan