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Criticizing capitalism doesn't require being stalinists, so please stop with this cliche, it's old and extremely boring by now.

parasubvert 6y ago
What’s even more boring is critiquing capitalism when that has actually nothing to do with the problem at hand. I brought up socialism as a counter example of how there is very little practical way to solve this issue with a different economic system. You’re free to bring up a different example of how an economic system will help the conundrum of preserving economic exchange and user freedom. A Potlatch gift economy perhaps? Except that’s kind of hard to impose.
- geofft 6y ago
  Right, I don't know the answer here. I just want people to start thinking seriously about the problem, because neither the regulatorily-captured free market nor the Politburo sound like great options. And I'm mostly agreeing with the comment I'm replying to, because it is concretely thinking seriously about alternative models. "Capitalism, but your company can't get too big" seems fairly compelling tbh.
  - parasubvert 6y ago
    Regulated capitalism is certainly a start. Would be nice.
    - pietrovismara 6y ago
      We already have regulated capitalism. The core issues are still there.
- pietrovismara 6y ago
  Capitalism is the elephant in the room, the economic (and cultural) system we have now. Any change we want to do within this framework requires changing its rules. The real problem we have to face now is the perpetual growth model, which is a natural consequence of capitalism. I don't know how and if we can fix this system to prevent perpetual growth without killing its essence. That's the real conversation we should do. So don't act like someone is offending your religion.
  - parasubvert 6y ago
    It's not an elephant in the room if we're actively talking about it. For someone who claims to want a conversation, you're doing a good job of insulting me repeatedly without actually discussing anything relevant to this post.

parasubvert 6y ago

What’s even more boring is critiquing capitalism when that has actually nothing to do with the problem at hand. I brought up socialism as a counter example of how there is very little practical way to solve this issue with a different economic system. You’re free to bring up a different example of how an economic system will help the conundrum of preserving economic exchange and user freedom. A Potlatch gift economy perhaps? Except that’s kind of hard to impose.

geofft 6y ago
Right, I don't know the answer here. I just want people to start thinking seriously about the problem, because neither the regulatorily-captured free market nor the Politburo sound like great options. And I'm mostly agreeing with the comment I'm replying to, because it is concretely thinking seriously about alternative models. "Capitalism, but your company can't get too big" seems fairly compelling tbh.
- parasubvert 6y ago
  Regulated capitalism is certainly a start. Would be nice.
  - pietrovismara 6y ago
    We already have regulated capitalism. The core issues are still there.
pietrovismara 6y ago
Capitalism is the elephant in the room, the economic (and cultural) system we have now. Any change we want to do within this framework requires changing its rules. The real problem we have to face now is the perpetual growth model, which is a natural consequence of capitalism. I don't know how and if we can fix this system to prevent perpetual growth without killing its essence. That's the real conversation we should do. So don't act like someone is offending your religion.
- parasubvert 6y ago
  It's not an elephant in the room if we're actively talking about it. For someone who claims to want a conversation, you're doing a good job of insulting me repeatedly without actually discussing anything relevant to this post.