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what aws does is more oss than that what elastic does. elastic also did it because of $$. so neither of them wins.

by merb 6y ago

Chyzwar 6y ago
Elastic is at least open about reasons. AWS pretend to be an OSS champion. Compared to other players Google, MS they do the least amount of OSS work. Hypocrisy is really worse than selfishness. It definitely shifted my neutral view of AWS. I can still spin ElasticSearch cluster for my backend and I have somehow open license. Where is open source version of Aurora, Dynamo, DocumentDB, Neptune or Redshift? Where is anything OSS from AWS that is useful outside interfacing with AWS services?
- paxys 6y ago
  > Elastic is at least open about reasons. Is it though? Every single one of their blog posts have been focused on spinning their decision as being great for the open source community. What they should have said was - we are a business, have VCs/shareholders and need to make money now, so sorry but the free ride is over.
that_guy_iain 6y ago
Elastic say they want to make money of the product they've spent money developing and literally point at the company who basically announced they were using it in partnership with them and turns out isn't and isn't paying their fair share - AWS. AWS say they want elasticsearch and kibana to be open source. What they really mean is they want to use elasticsearch without paying their fair share.
- sjwright 6y ago
  What is the "fair share" payment for ElasticSearch under its Apache license? I'm not a lawyer but it appears to be $0. Meanwhile, how come everyone showing sympathy for Elastic's position doesn't seem to be showing equal sympathy for Apache Lucene? Surely Lucene is deserving of at least as much credit as Elastic.
  - dodobirdlord 6y ago
    If I recall correctly, the creator, chief maintainers, and primary contributors to Lucene are also at Elastic. The ElasticSearch/Lucene distinction is one primarily brought up by AWS advocates to muddy the waters.
    - ignoramous 6y ago
      The lead developer on Lucene, Mike McCandless, has long been at A9, an Amazon subsidiary in Palo Alto.
    - greatpatton 6y ago
      Doug Cutting is at Cloudera.
- merb 6y ago
  well their license does not only target aws. the license text basically restricts so many use cases and their faq just lies about it.

what aws does is more oss than that what elastic does. elastic also did it because of $$. so neither of them wins.

by merb 6y ago

what aws does is more oss than that what elastic does. elastic also did it because of $$. so neither of them wins.

Elastic is at least open about reasons. AWS pretend to be an OSS champion. Compared to other players Google, MS they do the least amount of OSS work. Hypocrisy is really worse than selfishness. It definitely shifted my neutral view of AWS. I can still spin ElasticSearch cluster for my backend and I have somehow open license. Where is open source version of Aurora, Dynamo, DocumentDB, Neptune or Redshift? Where is anything OSS from AWS that is useful outside interfacing with AWS services?

paxys 6y ago
> Elastic is at least open about reasons. Is it though? Every single one of their blog posts have been focused on spinning their decision as being great for the open source community. What they should have said was - we are a business, have VCs/shareholders and need to make money now, so sorry but the free ride is over.

that_guy_iain 6y ago

Elastic say they want to make money of the product they've spent money developing and literally point at the company who basically announced they were using it in partnership with them and turns out isn't and isn't paying their fair share - AWS. AWS say they want elasticsearch and kibana to be open source. What they really mean is they want to use elasticsearch without paying their fair share.

sjwright 6y ago
What is the "fair share" payment for ElasticSearch under its Apache license? I'm not a lawyer but it appears to be $0. Meanwhile, how come everyone showing sympathy for Elastic's position doesn't seem to be showing equal sympathy for Apache Lucene? Surely Lucene is deserving of at least as much credit as Elastic.
- dodobirdlord 6y ago
  If I recall correctly, the creator, chief maintainers, and primary contributors to Lucene are also at Elastic. The ElasticSearch/Lucene distinction is one primarily brought up by AWS advocates to muddy the waters.
  - ignoramous 6y ago
    The lead developer on Lucene, Mike McCandless, has long been at A9, an Amazon subsidiary in Palo Alto.
  - greatpatton 6y ago
    Doug Cutting is at Cloudera.
merb 6y ago
well their license does not only target aws. the license text basically restricts so many use cases and their faq just lies about it.