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I am really amazed by his courage. He could've stayed safe in Germany but he decided to go back and face Putin.

nikolay 6y ago
I feel it like he needed the attention on him back (does anyone remember Pussy Riot anymore?) as we started to forget who he was. I wonder how many people will have to survive the most toxic gas - Novichok, - when regular people die daily from very benign poisoning in minutes? Is it because these political figures get special medical treatments unlike the regular folk or it's just all a cheap play?
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 6y ago
  He was poisoned on a flight. The FSB officers hoped this gives them enough time for Navalny to die until help is available. To their surprise the pilot made an emergency landing and medical staff was standing by on the ground, they quickly recognized it’s poisoning and treated Navalny accordingly. Afterwards he was transferred to Germany to receive special care.
  - nikolay 6y ago
    Not according to Navalny himself [0] - he claims the poison was put in his underwear in the hotel. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/navalny-russian-agent-novichok-death-plot https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/navalny-russia...
    - avmich 6y ago
      If you look for sources carefully, you'll see two attempts.
- eindiran 6y ago
  Are you suggesting that the novichok poisoning was faked? That seems less plausible than the alternative, that they just failed to guess the dose correctly, in an abundance of caution (trying to get him to die somewhere far from the scene of the crime).
  - pfundstein 6y ago
    It's not that they failed to guess the dose, it's likely that the rapid treatment saved his life: > "a new and improved version of the Novichok agent, which has not been encountered in the world before", was used in Navalny's poisoning. This new type of Novichok is more toxic and dangerous than its previously known variants, but acts more slowly. It had been planned that Navalny would die on board the plane, but he had survived "thanks to a sequence of successful coincidences: the quick reaction of the pilot who made an emergency landing, and the doctors in Omsk, who immediately injected Navalny with atropine". [1] [1] (German) https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/alexej-nawalny-sollte-im-flugzeug-sterben-neue-ermittlungsergebnisse-a-48de45f2-6335-4606-bb7f-2e9fc98f1e75 https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/alexej-nawalny-so...
    - nikolay 6y ago
      How is then this most toxic gas safer than other basic toxic ones you can brew even at home?! It's been hours from the time of his poisoning at the hotel to when he got to Germany and he was safe and sound like nothing's happened! Again, tens of thousands get into ICU and hundreds die from a simple acetaminophen overdose each year in the US alone [0]! Why would Putin use something, which such a poor track record of killing his enemies? Why can't they just use a sniper and get this over with?! Why use something, which even the brain-dead know will be linked to Russia? [0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15239078/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15239078/
      - grugagag 6y ago
        This is a nerve agent and is not ingested or inhaled, it is absorbed through the skin and is very deadly. There are sole antidotes but they don’t always work. It is used because beside western advanced hospitals it cannot be detected even at an autopsy. Navalny didn’t die because FSB used a small dose not to arise suspicion and make it look like he died of natural causes. Not sure what you’re barking at really, this is a very serious affair. The guesome death of Kashohgi was effective but left a huge stain on the Saudi prince that will forever stick, the poisoning of Navalny was supposed to subtle, his death may spark a riot
- cafard 6y ago
  I remember Pussy Riot, actually. As we have seen in England, it is possible to be poisoned with Novichok and survive, depending always on the level of exposure.
  - nikolay 6y ago
    It seems like the same cheesy play though. Pick one mystical toxin, which supposedly only Russia knows how to make although everybody knows how to identify it, and blame it on Putin! I am not a fan of Putin, but some people really think we're idiots - and, obviously, many are!
vladojsem 6y ago
it seems super-unreasonable to go back. i do not understand that guy.
- alpineidyll3 6y ago
  It's at least as unreasonable to live and die thoughtlessly as it is to live and die with intention.
- sullyj3 6y ago
  As the saying goes, "sometimes setting yourself on fire sheds light on the situation".

I feel it like he needed the attention on him back (does anyone remember Pussy Riot anymore?) as we started to forget who he was. I wonder how many people will have to survive the most toxic gas - Novichok, - when regular people die daily from very benign poisoning in minutes? Is it because these political figures get special medical treatments unlike the regular folk or it's just all a cheap play?

tqkxzugoaupvwqr 6y ago
He was poisoned on a flight. The FSB officers hoped this gives them enough time for Navalny to die until help is available. To their surprise the pilot made an emergency landing and medical staff was standing by on the ground, they quickly recognized it’s poisoning and treated Navalny accordingly. Afterwards he was transferred to Germany to receive special care.
- nikolay 6y ago
  Not according to Navalny himself [0] - he claims the poison was put in his underwear in the hotel. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/navalny-russian-agent-novichok-death-plot https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/navalny-russia...
  - avmich 6y ago
    If you look for sources carefully, you'll see two attempts.
eindiran 6y ago
Are you suggesting that the novichok poisoning was faked? That seems less plausible than the alternative, that they just failed to guess the dose correctly, in an abundance of caution (trying to get him to die somewhere far from the scene of the crime).
- pfundstein 6y ago
  It's not that they failed to guess the dose, it's likely that the rapid treatment saved his life: > "a new and improved version of the Novichok agent, which has not been encountered in the world before", was used in Navalny's poisoning. This new type of Novichok is more toxic and dangerous than its previously known variants, but acts more slowly. It had been planned that Navalny would die on board the plane, but he had survived "thanks to a sequence of successful coincidences: the quick reaction of the pilot who made an emergency landing, and the doctors in Omsk, who immediately injected Navalny with atropine". [1] [1] (German) https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/alexej-nawalny-sollte-im-flugzeug-sterben-neue-ermittlungsergebnisse-a-48de45f2-6335-4606-bb7f-2e9fc98f1e75 https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/alexej-nawalny-so...
  - nikolay 6y ago
    How is then this most toxic gas safer than other basic toxic ones you can brew even at home?! It's been hours from the time of his poisoning at the hotel to when he got to Germany and he was safe and sound like nothing's happened! Again, tens of thousands get into ICU and hundreds die from a simple acetaminophen overdose each year in the US alone [0]! Why would Putin use something, which such a poor track record of killing his enemies? Why can't they just use a sniper and get this over with?! Why use something, which even the brain-dead know will be linked to Russia? [0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15239078/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15239078/
    - grugagag 6y ago
      This is a nerve agent and is not ingested or inhaled, it is absorbed through the skin and is very deadly. There are sole antidotes but they don’t always work. It is used because beside western advanced hospitals it cannot be detected even at an autopsy. Navalny didn’t die because FSB used a small dose not to arise suspicion and make it look like he died of natural causes. Not sure what you’re barking at really, this is a very serious affair. The guesome death of Kashohgi was effective but left a huge stain on the Saudi prince that will forever stick, the poisoning of Navalny was supposed to subtle, his death may spark a riot
cafard 6y ago
I remember Pussy Riot, actually. As we have seen in England, it is possible to be poisoned with Novichok and survive, depending always on the level of exposure.
- nikolay 6y ago
  It seems like the same cheesy play though. Pick one mystical toxin, which supposedly only Russia knows how to make although everybody knows how to identify it, and blame it on Putin! I am not a fan of Putin, but some people really think we're idiots - and, obviously, many are!

vladojsem 6y ago

it seems super-unreasonable to go back. i do not understand that guy.

alpineidyll3 6y ago
It's at least as unreasonable to live and die thoughtlessly as it is to live and die with intention.
sullyj3 6y ago
As the saying goes, "sometimes setting yourself on fire sheds light on the situation".