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The world must not accept the jailing of Alexei Navalny
- Darmody 6y agoI am really amazed by his courage. He could've stayed safe in Germany but he decided to go back and face Putin.
- nikolay 6y agoI feel it like he needed the attention on him back (does anyone remember Pussy Riot anymore?) as we started to forget who he was. I wonder how many people will have to survive the most toxic gas - Novichok, - when regular people die daily from very benign poisoning in minutes? Is it because these political figures get special medical treatments unlike the regular folk or it's just all a cheap play?
- tqkxzugoaupvwqr 6y agoHe was poisoned on a flight. The FSB officers hoped this gives them enough time for Navalny to die until help is available. To their surprise the pilot made an emergency landing and medical staff was standing by on the ground, they quickly recognized it’s poisoning and treated Navalny accordingly. Afterwards he was transferred to Germany to receive special care.
- nikolay 6y agoNot according to Navalny himself [0] - he claims the poison was put in his underwear in the hotel. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/navalny-russian-agent-novichok-death-plot https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/navalny-russia...
- avmich 6y agoIf you look for sources carefully, you'll see two attempts.
- eindiran 6y agoAre you suggesting that the novichok poisoning was faked? That seems less plausible than the alternative, that they just failed to guess the dose correctly, in an abundance of caution (trying to get him to die somewhere far from the scene of the crime).
- pfundstein 6y agoIt's not that they failed to guess the dose, it's likely that the rapid treatment saved his life: > "a new and improved version of the Novichok agent, which has not been encountered in the world before", was used in Navalny's poisoning. This new type of Novichok is more toxic and dangerous than its previously known variants, but acts more slowly. It had been planned that Navalny would die on board the plane, but he had survived "thanks to a sequence of successful coincidences: the quick reaction of the pilot who made an emergency landing, and the doctors in Omsk, who immediately injected Navalny with atropine". [1] [1] (German) https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/alexej-nawalny-sollte-im-flugzeug-sterben-neue-ermittlungsergebnisse-a-48de45f2-6335-4606-bb7f-2e9fc98f1e75 https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/alexej-nawalny-so...
- nikolay 6y agoHow is then this most toxic gas safer than other basic toxic ones you can brew even at home?! It's been hours from the time of his poisoning at the hotel to when he got to Germany and he was safe and sound like nothing's happened! Again, tens of thousands get into ICU and hundreds die from a simple acetaminophen overdose each year in the US alone [0]! Why would Putin use something, which such a poor track record of killing his enemies? Why can't they just use a sniper and get this over with?! Why use something, which even the brain-dead know will be linked to Russia? [0]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15239078/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15239078/
- grugagag 6y agoThis is a nerve agent and is not ingested or inhaled, it is absorbed through the skin and is very deadly. There are sole antidotes but they don’t always work. It is used because beside western advanced hospitals it cannot be detected even at an autopsy. Navalny didn’t die because FSB used a small dose not to arise suspicion and make it look like he died of natural causes. Not sure what you’re barking at really, this is a very serious affair. The guesome death of Kashohgi was effective but left a huge stain on the Saudi prince that will forever stick, the poisoning of Navalny was supposed to subtle, his death may spark a riot
- cafard 6y agoI remember Pussy Riot, actually. As we have seen in England, it is possible to be poisoned with Novichok and survive, depending always on the level of exposure.
- nikolay 6y agoIt seems like the same cheesy play though. Pick one mystical toxin, which supposedly only Russia knows how to make although everybody knows how to identify it, and blame it on Putin! I am not a fan of Putin, but some people really think we're idiots - and, obviously, many are!
- vladojsem 6y agoit seems super-unreasonable to go back. i do not understand that guy.
- alpineidyll3 6y agoIt's at least as unreasonable to live and die thoughtlessly as it is to live and die with intention.
- sullyj3 6y agoAs the saying goes, "sometimes setting yourself on fire sheds light on the situation".
- cafard 6y agoThe world will therefore...what? Respond as forcefully as it has to the murder of quite a few journalists? Respond as forcefully as it has to the invasion of the Ukraine? I hope that Navalny will be freed, but the world's response so far is not encouraging.
- ssijak 6y agoCirtainly respond less forcefuly than to the illegal invasion of Iraq, illegal bombing of Yugoslavia, destruction of Lybia, genocide in Yemen, dozens of other wars and government coups.
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- d0mine 6y agoYeah, let's bomb yet another counter into middle ages/s
- sschueller 6y agoSame for journalist the otherside is jailing. E.g. Julian Assange.
- SpaceRaccoon 6y agoWhat astounds me are the liberals who rightfully call for Navalny's freedom but defend prosecuting Assange and Snowden. Hypocrisy seems to be a consistent feature of politics.
- boomboomsubban 6y agoIt's not like we actively plotted to assassinate Assange though, we hired a Spanish firm to do that for us. We totally have the moral high ground.
- sschueller 6y agoHillary proposed a drone strike on Assange. https://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wikileaks-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-proposed-drone-strike-on-julian-assange/ https://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wik...
- boomboomsubban 6y agoPretty clearly a joke, though someone in her position making that joke is rather disgusting.
- jesterson 6y agoCame here to write this. Hypocrisy is not a feature politics alone, it does seem to be liberals mandate as sad as it sounds. And if we look deeper, comparing useless CIA-funded clown with people who shed light to atrocities performed by government and military complex and paid with their own life (treatment that Assange got all those years are not even remotely humane) for it, is an incredible stretch, to put it mildly.
- ecf 6y agoAre you seriously arguing that only a single party engages in hypocritical activities, after an entire 4 years of Trump and Republicans enabling him?
- avmich 6y agoIt takes a careful orchestration to avoid risks of panic yet convince enough capable towards change. A good example was recently shown with sanctioning of some military-related companies, like VSMPO Avisma and Irkut. Pretty good aim; but then Avisma's sanctions were lifted. Looks like underground forces in play.
- millzlane 6y agoIf Alexei can accept that Crimea legitimately belongs to Russia now. I guess I can accept that he's been jailed for breaking the local laws of this same russia.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 6y agoJust enforcing currently existing laws for money laundering can make quite a difference. Putin's friends continue to buy London real estate and soccer clubs freely. $2B belonging to Putin has been discovered in Panama papers, afaik nothing happened.