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Let me tell you the future of using brave: you give chrome engine total rule of the law for web "standards". Google can mold the web to their desires. If you u

Let me tell you the future of using brave: you give chrome engine total rule of the law for web "standards". Google can mold the web to their desires. If you use firefox, google have to at least play nice. What's the point of using a browser frontend (used to be called chrome, but i guess google stole even the words) if tomorrow all the content depend on google-owned DRM? You will only be able to use your fancy ipfs or whatever transport if you have the google blessed keys or whatnot.

RedComet 6y ago
It sounds good in theory, but it just isn't true. Mozilla is null factor these days, and most of their income has actually been from Google. Google is most likely keeping them afloat just to ward off a stray monopoly charge at this point.
- pygy_ 6y ago
  It became clear to me with the recent layoffs. Their strategy to grow their user share seemed twofold: better tech (through Servo/Rust) and dev-oriented features (their market share among devs was much higher than among the general population). They cut deeply into both of these.
  - pygy_ 6y ago
    Adding to this: Getting back dev mindshare was IMO critical for their success. 90% of https://webcompat.com/ https://webcompat.com/ is sites that are broken in Firefox, not necessarily because FF isn't standard compliant, but because many Web devs just dont bother testing their sites/apps with it anymore. As for better tech I suppose they chose a 80/20 approach, but I'm not sure it will suffice.
- gcblkjaidfj 6y ago
  Well, to be honest, nowadays I think that the sooner mozilla dies, the better for firefox :( But anything will only happens if there's a user base as contributors are a (small) ratio from that number.
konjin 6y ago
Let me tell you about Mozilla. They get 90% of their funding through google. Google is their customer, you are their product. Anyone who thinks Mozilla is independent is in deep denial.
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  No, if the point is staving off anti-trust, the US government is the customer, competition is the product, and Mozilla is surprisingly unconstrained as the first two bulls lock horns.
jjcon 6y ago
> If you use firefox, google have to at least play nice. A browser with the same market share as ‘Samsung internet’ that is primarily funded by google? They have less voice than brave, who at least maintains their independence (and their own forks/build processes). Safari is the only other real contender with 5x the market share of Firefox (and counting).
- m-p-3 6y ago
  > Safari is the only other real contender with 5x the market share of Firefox (and counting). And only available on Apple devices.
stretchcat 6y ago
I use Firefox and have for about 15 years now. I still use it, but I no longer have hope. Not since Mozilla rolled over on EME. Mozilla is googles' lapdog, little more. At least the browser still has enough technical merit for me to continue using it, but I fear that won't remain true forever.

RedComet 6y ago

It sounds good in theory, but it just isn't true. Mozilla is null factor these days, and most of their income has actually been from Google. Google is most likely keeping them afloat just to ward off a stray monopoly charge at this point.

pygy_ 6y ago
It became clear to me with the recent layoffs. Their strategy to grow their user share seemed twofold: better tech (through Servo/Rust) and dev-oriented features (their market share among devs was much higher than among the general population). They cut deeply into both of these.
- pygy_ 6y ago
  Adding to this: Getting back dev mindshare was IMO critical for their success. 90% of https://webcompat.com/ https://webcompat.com/ is sites that are broken in Firefox, not necessarily because FF isn't standard compliant, but because many Web devs just dont bother testing their sites/apps with it anymore. As for better tech I suppose they chose a 80/20 approach, but I'm not sure it will suffice.
gcblkjaidfj 6y ago
Well, to be honest, nowadays I think that the sooner mozilla dies, the better for firefox :( But anything will only happens if there's a user base as contributors are a (small) ratio from that number.

konjin 6y ago

Let me tell you about Mozilla. They get 90% of their funding through google. Google is their customer, you are their product. Anyone who thinks Mozilla is independent is in deep denial.

Ericson2314 6y ago
No, if the point is staving off anti-trust, the US government is the customer, competition is the product, and Mozilla is surprisingly unconstrained as the first two bulls lock horns.

jjcon 6y ago

> If you use firefox, google have to at least play nice. A browser with the same market share as ‘Samsung internet’ that is primarily funded by google? They have less voice than brave, who at least maintains their independence (and their own forks/build processes). Safari is the only other real contender with 5x the market share of Firefox (and counting).

m-p-3 6y ago
> Safari is the only other real contender with 5x the market share of Firefox (and counting). And only available on Apple devices.

stretchcat 6y ago

I use Firefox and have for about 15 years now. I still use it, but I no longer have hope. Not since Mozilla rolled over on EME. Mozilla is googles' lapdog, little more. At least the browser still has enough technical merit for me to continue using it, but I fear that won't remain true forever.