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I do believe that should've also been in their threat model - these guys should've acted like they were hosting The Pirate Bay 2 given the state of American pol

I do believe that should've also been in their threat model - these guys should've acted like they were hosting The Pirate Bay 2 given the state of American politics. For instance, they could've had a low-traffic backup in read-only mode, or prevent new sign-ups. Or have an application layer switch to reduce outgoing bandwidth (HTML only) to squeeze into a coloc facility on short notice.

Threeve303 6y ago
Engineering the site well to stay online might be beside the point now. Parler wanted to be taken down so that they could fight this legal battle, likely with an eye on Section 230. As an added bonus, they can frame the removal as persecution.
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  Clearly it's a battle they're likely to lose, but I wish them luck. The only way forward in my view is to actually change laws. Anything short of that, is a fool's errand. All this is already settled law and has been litigated previously multiple times. You have to change the law in order to reclassify these entities if you want things to change. What orgs like Parler keep doing right now is spitting into the wind.
  - r00fus 6y ago
    They thought they were gonna be old Kanobi vs. Vader - vanquished but become more powerful. It would have made sense if their belief system (ie, Trump and alt-right moving mountains to make them viable) were in place. Clearly that wasn't the case and they will be a footnote in history.
- freedomben 6y ago
  I'm not doubting you, but do you have a source for: > Parler wanted to be taken down so that they could fight this legal battle ?
snoshy 6y ago
I'm not sure if I agree with that. Outside of unabashed copyright infringement and grossly objectionable content (child porn, etc.), there hasn't been a real precedent for a tech player getting booted like this on a moment's notice. If a scenario has never occurred before, I don't see why you'd add it to your threat model. That being said, they did not have the engineering expertise to even make a resilient stack on top of AWS. If you're running a free trial version of Okta to secure your assets in production [1], all of what you're proposing is a distant dream. [1] https://twitter.com/okta/status/1348191370528256002 https://twitter.com/okta/status/1348191370528256002
- 8note 6y ago
  OFAC compliance seems like an obvious comparison? If your company gets put on an terrorist list, you'll be removed from US services very quickly.
- cygx 6y ago
  there hasn't been a real precedent for a tech player getting booted like this on a moment's notice Gab after the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting?
analyte123 6y ago
Somebody leaked an email where they were soliciting new hosting, and they needed 100+ giant instances. They were clearly sloppy and inefficient from the very beginning.
gowld 6y ago
The Pirate Bay team explicitly mocked them for this.

Threeve303 6y ago

Engineering the site well to stay online might be beside the point now. Parler wanted to be taken down so that they could fight this legal battle, likely with an eye on Section 230. As an added bonus, they can frame the removal as persecution.

bilbo0s 6y ago
Clearly it's a battle they're likely to lose, but I wish them luck. The only way forward in my view is to actually change laws. Anything short of that, is a fool's errand. All this is already settled law and has been litigated previously multiple times. You have to change the law in order to reclassify these entities if you want things to change. What orgs like Parler keep doing right now is spitting into the wind.
- r00fus 6y ago
  They thought they were gonna be old Kanobi vs. Vader - vanquished but become more powerful. It would have made sense if their belief system (ie, Trump and alt-right moving mountains to make them viable) were in place. Clearly that wasn't the case and they will be a footnote in history.
freedomben 6y ago
I'm not doubting you, but do you have a source for: > Parler wanted to be taken down so that they could fight this legal battle ?

snoshy 6y ago

I'm not sure if I agree with that. Outside of unabashed copyright infringement and grossly objectionable content (child porn, etc.), there hasn't been a real precedent for a tech player getting booted like this on a moment's notice. If a scenario has never occurred before, I don't see why you'd add it to your threat model. That being said, they did not have the engineering expertise to even make a resilient stack on top of AWS. If you're running a free trial version of Okta to secure your assets in production [1], all of what you're proposing is a distant dream. [1] https://twitter.com/okta/status/1348191370528256002 https://twitter.com/okta/status/1348191370528256002

8note 6y ago
OFAC compliance seems like an obvious comparison? If your company gets put on an terrorist list, you'll be removed from US services very quickly.
cygx 6y ago
there hasn't been a real precedent for a tech player getting booted like this on a moment's notice Gab after the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting?

analyte123 6y ago

Somebody leaked an email where they were soliciting new hosting, and they needed 100+ giant instances. They were clearly sloppy and inefficient from the very beginning.

gowld 6y ago

The Pirate Bay team explicitly mocked them for this.