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This only matters if you care about propiretary platforms like Windows and Mac. And you should not care!

mwcampbell 6y ago
I still do, because people are stuck with these platforms, for reasons beyond our control, and I care more about people's access to applications that they need than about being a purist.
rodgerd 6y ago
"Fuck people who need assistive technologies" does not make you a good person.
- kiawe_fire 6y ago
  More like “fuck people who use Mac OS or Windows”. I saw no malice there directed at users of assistive technology, but rather of users of non-open platforms.
  - kevingadd 6y ago
    If the assistive technology they need to use isn't available on Linux or they don't have the ability to run Linux it's not that meaningful of a difference.
    - rodgerd 6y ago
      Exactly. It's a difference without a distinction. And rather sad that free software - which in theory ought to be a perfect place for exploring assistive options - seems to lag far behind the closed shops.
      - mwcampbell 6y ago
        Having discussed this with Drew, I think he was really talking about what I, personally, should choose to work on. And I think he's right that I should work on the accessibility of free software as much as I can, rather than accessibility on proprietary platforms. I don't know yet how soon I can actually start doing this.
    - phkahler 6y ago
      It is available on Linux. Apparently not when using GTK on Windows.
- boogies 6y ago
  > ddevault 9 months ago [–] > I recommend using a tiling window manager - they allow you to organize windows logically, rather than spatially. > I have also written some plugins for using Vim (text editing) and Weechat (IRC chat) with speech synthesis: > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/lib/vim/vimspeak.vim https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/lib/vim/vim... > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/.weechat/python/talkative.py https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/.weechat/py... > And I have a script for Sway (a tiling window manager) which also gives you audible cues: > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/bin/swaytalk https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/bin/swaytal... > All of this is somewhat incomplete, but it's a good starting point if you want to get used to them and work on improvements while you're still sighted. Good luck, and let me know if I can be of service. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22919180 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22919180 > I have a different philosophy and approach to using computers than most, and that affects my views on accessibility. Stapling a screenreader onto a graphical application, for example, to me seems like the wrong approach. Text-based applications are much more accessible, and these are my bread and butter. To this end, my work on accessibility involves making more information available as text, organized logically rather than spatially, and making it easier to access and manipulate that information with vision impairments (and other sorts of impairments, too). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22919726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22919726 “$#@! people who are actively developing Free accessibility tech” does not make you a good person

I still do, because people are stuck with these platforms, for reasons beyond our control, and I care more about people's access to applications that they need than about being a purist.

rodgerd 6y ago

"Fuck people who need assistive technologies" does not make you a good person.

kiawe_fire 6y ago
More like “fuck people who use Mac OS or Windows”. I saw no malice there directed at users of assistive technology, but rather of users of non-open platforms.
- kevingadd 6y ago
  If the assistive technology they need to use isn't available on Linux or they don't have the ability to run Linux it's not that meaningful of a difference.
  - rodgerd 6y ago
    Exactly. It's a difference without a distinction. And rather sad that free software - which in theory ought to be a perfect place for exploring assistive options - seems to lag far behind the closed shops.
    - mwcampbell 6y ago
      Having discussed this with Drew, I think he was really talking about what I, personally, should choose to work on. And I think he's right that I should work on the accessibility of free software as much as I can, rather than accessibility on proprietary platforms. I don't know yet how soon I can actually start doing this.
  - phkahler 6y ago
    It is available on Linux. Apparently not when using GTK on Windows.
boogies 6y ago
> ddevault 9 months ago [–] > I recommend using a tiling window manager - they allow you to organize windows logically, rather than spatially. > I have also written some plugins for using Vim (text editing) and Weechat (IRC chat) with speech synthesis: > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/lib/vim/vimspeak.vim https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/lib/vim/vim... > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/.weechat/python/talkative.py https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/.weechat/py... > And I have a script for Sway (a tiling window manager) which also gives you audible cues: > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/bin/swaytalk https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/dotfiles/tree/master/bin/swaytal... > All of this is somewhat incomplete, but it's a good starting point if you want to get used to them and work on improvements while you're still sighted. Good luck, and let me know if I can be of service. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22919180 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22919180 > I have a different philosophy and approach to using computers than most, and that affects my views on accessibility. Stapling a screenreader onto a graphical application, for example, to me seems like the wrong approach. Text-based applications are much more accessible, and these are my bread and butter. To this end, my work on accessibility involves making more information available as text, organized logically rather than spatially, and making it easier to access and manipulate that information with vision impairments (and other sorts of impairments, too). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22919726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22919726 “$#@! people who are actively developing Free accessibility tech” does not make you a good person