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>both for the dues unceremoniously rippéd I mean, yeah, you owe dues. How else should it work? When I was part of a union it amounted to 2 hours of wages per

>both for the dues unceremoniously rippéd I mean, yeah, you owe dues. How else should it work? When I was part of a union it amounted to 2 hours of wages per month, not exactly onerous.

legerdemain 6y ago
Could unions be ad-supported? Maybe you put a TV monitor playing a continuous stream of ads in the employee break room. It's win-win.
ars 6y ago
> I mean, yeah, you owe dues. How else should it work? It's a bigger problem in non Right to Work states, where you can be forced to join the union (and have dues taken from you). In places where joining the union for their benefits is voluntary I don't see the problem. There are also places where you don't have to join the union, but they still take some of the wages (at a lower rate than full members) for nebulous "benefits" the union offers. Those are especially contentious because not all the employee believe they get any benefits at all. The US should shift to the European model where multiple unions are available at each employer, and they compete with each other for membership. I believe joining a union is required there, they don't have any non-union jobs, but a European union is not the same as a US one.
- Frondo 6y ago
  Taft-Hartley banned the "closed shop," where you must join a union to work at a business, in 1947. You will never be forced to join a union anywhere in the US to work at any given employer.
  - ars 6y ago
    That's not true. You misunderstand the rules. Google: "closed shop vs union shop" and you will see. Basically you cannot have a business that only hires from a union, but you can have a business that requires you to join a union after being hired meaning the union cannot prevent you from joining them. Or in other words in non-right-to-work states you can be forced to join a union.
    - Frondo 6y ago
      Under the NLRA, you are never required to join a union. You may be required to pay union dues, and the union will still represent you in collective bargaining, but that doesn't make you a union member.
elefanten 6y ago
Counterexample: the nascent Google employees union is taking 1% of total comp. That’s pretty ambitious when the employees are Googlers.
- sib 6y ago
  >> itsoktocry 2 hours ago [–] >> When I was part of a union it amounted to 2 hours of wages per month, not exactly onerous. reply >> elefanten 2 hours ago [–] >> Counterexample: the nascent Google employees union is taking 1% of total comp. Not sure it's really a counterexample as there are - in theory - about 200 work hours per month, so 1% of comp is pretty much equivalent to 2 hours of wages per month.

>both for the dues unceremoniously rippéd I mean, yeah, you owe dues. How else should it work? When I was part of a union it amounted to 2 hours of wages per month, not exactly onerous.

legerdemain 6y ago

Could unions be ad-supported? Maybe you put a TV monitor playing a continuous stream of ads in the employee break room. It's win-win.

ars 6y ago

> I mean, yeah, you owe dues. How else should it work? It's a bigger problem in non Right to Work states, where you can be forced to join the union (and have dues taken from you). In places where joining the union for their benefits is voluntary I don't see the problem. There are also places where you don't have to join the union, but they still take some of the wages (at a lower rate than full members) for nebulous "benefits" the union offers. Those are especially contentious because not all the employee believe they get any benefits at all. The US should shift to the European model where multiple unions are available at each employer, and they compete with each other for membership. I believe joining a union is required there, they don't have any non-union jobs, but a European union is not the same as a US one.

Frondo 6y ago
Taft-Hartley banned the "closed shop," where you must join a union to work at a business, in 1947. You will never be forced to join a union anywhere in the US to work at any given employer.
- ars 6y ago
  That's not true. You misunderstand the rules. Google: "closed shop vs union shop" and you will see. Basically you cannot have a business that only hires from a union, but you can have a business that requires you to join a union after being hired meaning the union cannot prevent you from joining them. Or in other words in non-right-to-work states you can be forced to join a union.
  - Frondo 6y ago
    Under the NLRA, you are never required to join a union. You may be required to pay union dues, and the union will still represent you in collective bargaining, but that doesn't make you a union member.

elefanten 6y ago

Counterexample: the nascent Google employees union is taking 1% of total comp. That’s pretty ambitious when the employees are Googlers.

sib 6y ago
>> itsoktocry 2 hours ago [–] >> When I was part of a union it amounted to 2 hours of wages per month, not exactly onerous. reply >> elefanten 2 hours ago [–] >> Counterexample: the nascent Google employees union is taking 1% of total comp. Not sure it's really a counterexample as there are - in theory - about 200 work hours per month, so 1% of comp is pretty much equivalent to 2 hours of wages per month.