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If I were you I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. There's a lot of randomness in what gets noticed and voted onto the front page, especially on sund

If I were you I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. There's a lot of randomness in what gets noticed and voted onto the front page, especially on sundays. And we all submit things and wonder why no one votes them up.

dgabriel 18y ago
Of course, it may certainly be sudden onset apophenia, but this in conjunction with some of the responses to Jessica's recent blog entry on female founders, along with a number of other threads that have popped up here... my forlorn submission may have nothing to do with anything, but the pattern is there. Women are viewed as genetically inferior at this hacker stuff, and the prevailing theory is that it might have something to do with a giraffe hunt at the dawn of time, or biological clocks, or the belief that since young women can get laid, they don't have to work as hard at life.
- ardit33 18y ago
  no. But as the old saying: "Show me, don't tell me". In the name of progress, I suggest to people stop screaming "it is so unfair, women are just as good at [insert capability here] as men are.", how about actually encoraing them to build the next google/facebook/lisp/reddit/wikipedia ... whatever we think is hacker worthy. Then they will definetly get the respect they deserve. Until then, sorry, saying women are just as good hacker as men, and they are just left behind by the "establishment" it is all talk, and talk is cheap.
  - dgabriel 18y ago
    The moment we are born, all of us, we are labeled, bagged, tagged, and forced into roles by our families, our communities, our schools, and our peers, and all of those people are also categorized at birth, and taught to believe the same things. This is powerful stuff, and to discount it entirely is foolish. That said, you are correct. Talk (type?) is cheap. I'll now bow out of this conversation in favor of doing something more productive, like the dishes.
    - ardit33 18y ago
      yes, and my mom wanted me to be a dentist. Guess what, I still did what I wanted to (an engineer). And moved in another continent to do it (from Europe to USA). You saying that like male kids don't ever get pressured to do things they don't really want to do. And as countless studies have shown, in a society where women have more choice, they tend to shun computer science related studies, and go for other things they like.
  - blurry 18y ago
    You could say the same thing about black hackers. Show me a black hacker who built a google/facebook/lisp/reddit/wikipedia. The real truth is, in this year 2008, intellectually forward white males (i.e. the hacker community) have graduated past racism but still consider women a socially acceptable put-down target. Sorry but while your earlier point that the computer-related news sites tend to be "gettoes" full of young males frustrated with their inability to score rings true, your current point on "objective" lack of achievement among women does not, since I can safely bet that you and other similarly minded posters on here are not willing to extend it to non-whites. The simple fact is, these forums have a fair share of loud mysoginists and the community tolerates it. Shame.

dgabriel 18y ago

Of course, it may certainly be sudden onset apophenia, but this in conjunction with some of the responses to Jessica's recent blog entry on female founders, along with a number of other threads that have popped up here... my forlorn submission may have nothing to do with anything, but the pattern is there. Women are viewed as genetically inferior at this hacker stuff, and the prevailing theory is that it might have something to do with a giraffe hunt at the dawn of time, or biological clocks, or the belief that since young women can get laid, they don't have to work as hard at life.

ardit33 18y ago
no. But as the old saying: "Show me, don't tell me". In the name of progress, I suggest to people stop screaming "it is so unfair, women are just as good at [insert capability here] as men are.", how about actually encoraing them to build the next google/facebook/lisp/reddit/wikipedia ... whatever we think is hacker worthy. Then they will definetly get the respect they deserve. Until then, sorry, saying women are just as good hacker as men, and they are just left behind by the "establishment" it is all talk, and talk is cheap.
- dgabriel 18y ago
  The moment we are born, all of us, we are labeled, bagged, tagged, and forced into roles by our families, our communities, our schools, and our peers, and all of those people are also categorized at birth, and taught to believe the same things. This is powerful stuff, and to discount it entirely is foolish. That said, you are correct. Talk (type?) is cheap. I'll now bow out of this conversation in favor of doing something more productive, like the dishes.
  - ardit33 18y ago
    yes, and my mom wanted me to be a dentist. Guess what, I still did what I wanted to (an engineer). And moved in another continent to do it (from Europe to USA). You saying that like male kids don't ever get pressured to do things they don't really want to do. And as countless studies have shown, in a society where women have more choice, they tend to shun computer science related studies, and go for other things they like.
- blurry 18y ago
  You could say the same thing about black hackers. Show me a black hacker who built a google/facebook/lisp/reddit/wikipedia. The real truth is, in this year 2008, intellectually forward white males (i.e. the hacker community) have graduated past racism but still consider women a socially acceptable put-down target. Sorry but while your earlier point that the computer-related news sites tend to be "gettoes" full of young males frustrated with their inability to score rings true, your current point on "objective" lack of achievement among women does not, since I can safely bet that you and other similarly minded posters on here are not willing to extend it to non-whites. The simple fact is, these forums have a fair share of loud mysoginists and the community tolerates it. Shame.