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Define accountability. Now you have a cost benefit ratio. If there is personal liability who can be blamed so you get the benefit and they get the detriment.

by kaiju0 6y ago

jmcqk6 6y ago
In this specific case, it would be an independent audit of the procedures to determine whether they were actually necessary or not. it's not rocket science. Poor people don't have the money required to go to the dentist and properly take care of your teeth. Since having a healthy populace is a good thing, we say "okay, we're all going to pitch in so everyone can be as healthy as possible." If people start to take advantage of that for personal gain (which we know there are always people who are going to do that), we need to have a plan in place for dealing with those assholes. The presence of assholes in society shouldn't mean we don't even try to take care of each other. It should mean that we have plans for recognizing when someone is an asshole and taking measures to change that behavior.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  Now you've created a new problem of bureaucrats that are just as susceptible to incompetence, incentives, and malfeasance as the dentists. This is going to be the problem with every system of mandatory funding. Doesn't matter if it's housing, dentistry, food stamps, etc. People were abusing the disability program, so we made a bunch of hurdles to get funding. Now there's companies who train you how to get over those hurdles: what to write on the forms, what to say to your doctor, etc. And guess what? The companies that train you what to say to get disability then get to bill the government for this new service they provided you. I'm sure it's easy to imagine their incentives.
  - jmcqk6 6y ago
    And yet there are ways we can address those issues too. I don't get why we gotta stop trying to take care of each other simply because there are assholes who try to take advantage of things.
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      >I don't get why we gotta stop trying to take care of each other How would ending food stamps stop you from taking care of other people?
      - jmcqk6 6y ago
        Removing a massive mechanism for being able to address a need that most people feel shame for and explicitly try to hide due to social pressure? If I'm acting on my own, my reach is very limited. By using the government, we have the potential to make a much larger impact, and in this case, create the expectation that no one should go hungry in this country. We're not there yet, mainly because there are many people around here who don't believe that expectation is valid. I'll fight them for the rest of my life.

Define accountability. Now you have a cost benefit ratio. If there is personal liability who can be blamed so you get the benefit and they get the detriment.

by kaiju0 6y ago

Define accountability. Now you have a cost benefit ratio. If there is personal liability who can be blamed so you get the benefit and they get the detriment.

jmcqk6 6y ago

In this specific case, it would be an independent audit of the procedures to determine whether they were actually necessary or not. it's not rocket science. Poor people don't have the money required to go to the dentist and properly take care of your teeth. Since having a healthy populace is a good thing, we say "okay, we're all going to pitch in so everyone can be as healthy as possible." If people start to take advantage of that for personal gain (which we know there are always people who are going to do that), we need to have a plan in place for dealing with those assholes. The presence of assholes in society shouldn't mean we don't even try to take care of each other. It should mean that we have plans for recognizing when someone is an asshole and taking measures to change that behavior.

Consultant32452 6y ago
Now you've created a new problem of bureaucrats that are just as susceptible to incompetence, incentives, and malfeasance as the dentists. This is going to be the problem with every system of mandatory funding. Doesn't matter if it's housing, dentistry, food stamps, etc. People were abusing the disability program, so we made a bunch of hurdles to get funding. Now there's companies who train you how to get over those hurdles: what to write on the forms, what to say to your doctor, etc. And guess what? The companies that train you what to say to get disability then get to bill the government for this new service they provided you. I'm sure it's easy to imagine their incentives.
- jmcqk6 6y ago
  And yet there are ways we can address those issues too. I don't get why we gotta stop trying to take care of each other simply because there are assholes who try to take advantage of things.
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    >I don't get why we gotta stop trying to take care of each other How would ending food stamps stop you from taking care of other people?
    - jmcqk6 6y ago
      Removing a massive mechanism for being able to address a need that most people feel shame for and explicitly try to hide due to social pressure? If I'm acting on my own, my reach is very limited. By using the government, we have the potential to make a much larger impact, and in this case, create the expectation that no one should go hungry in this country. We're not there yet, mainly because there are many people around here who don't believe that expectation is valid. I'll fight them for the rest of my life.