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If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech. On the other hand I hate all fascists too and

If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech. On the other hand I hate all fascists too and they are violent terrorists so there is no point in pondering philosophy for their sake.

StavrosK 6y ago
> If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech. Well that's exactly the question: Is free speech more societally useful than disallowing the kinds of speech I disagree with?
- CyberRabbi 6y ago
  Yes free speech is useful but not for fascists and their allies. Fascist speech is never okay. The philosophers of the enlightenment didn’t foresee that freedom of speech would be exploited by racists for the purposes of promoting hate in a tolerant society. Freedom of speech is an outdated concept.
  - g6587yd 6y ago
    Freedom of speech is freedom.
g6587yd 6y ago
> X is fascist and terrorist Sounds like a good excuse the real fascists would use. Yesterday in that balcony there where a number of world-class terrorists and psychopats received with fanfares. One bombed Irak, the other bombed Lybia, the other bombed Syria, etc.
- CyberRabbi 6y ago
  Maybe but at least they support democracy and they aren’t racist. Two party system isn’t ideal.
wellthisisgreat 6y ago
> If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech. Setting the threshold for "problem" at intent to cause physical harm to others seems a pretty low barrier? Any barking is ok, but swift actions should be taken immediately after the very first bite. Stepping away from calls to murder people for a moment. You can deny climate change all you want but once you put your words into actions that destroy planet your speech can now be treated as actions.

StavrosK 6y ago

> If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech. Well that's exactly the question: Is free speech more societally useful than disallowing the kinds of speech I disagree with?

CyberRabbi 6y ago
Yes free speech is useful but not for fascists and their allies. Fascist speech is never okay. The philosophers of the enlightenment didn’t foresee that freedom of speech would be exploited by racists for the purposes of promoting hate in a tolerant society. Freedom of speech is an outdated concept.
- g6587yd 6y ago
  Freedom of speech is freedom.

g6587yd 6y ago

> X is fascist and terrorist Sounds like a good excuse the real fascists would use. Yesterday in that balcony there where a number of world-class terrorists and psychopats received with fanfares. One bombed Irak, the other bombed Lybia, the other bombed Syria, etc.

CyberRabbi 6y ago
Maybe but at least they support democracy and they aren’t racist. Two party system isn’t ideal.

wellthisisgreat 6y ago

> If you only allowed the speech you didn’t have a problem with, then you wouldn’t need the concept of free speech. Setting the threshold for "problem" at intent to cause physical harm to others seems a pretty low barrier? Any barking is ok, but swift actions should be taken immediately after the very first bite. Stepping away from calls to murder people for a moment. You can deny climate change all you want but once you put your words into actions that destroy planet your speech can now be treated as actions.