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These groups are already generating social conflict. De-platforming ISIS from Twitter and YouTube worked to stop their massive growth of new members through pro

These groups are already generating social conflict. De-platforming ISIS from Twitter and YouTube worked to stop their massive growth of new members through propaganda. There is no reason to believe it won’t also work on American right-wing terrorist and Christian terrorists. “Capitol Hill Attack Video Shows Rioters Pray With Lifted Hands After Violating Senate Chamber” https://faithfullymagazine.com/capitol-hill-attack-video-pray/ https://faithfullymagazine.com/capitol-hill-attack-video-pra... “How QAnon uses religion to lure unsuspecting Christians” https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/us/qanon-religion-churches/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/us/qanon-religion-churches/in... “How White Evangelical Christians Fused With Trump Extremism” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/how-white-evangelical-christians-fused-with-trump-extremism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/how-white-evangelical-... Edit: Changed “American right-wing and Christian terrorists” to “American right-wing terrorists and Christian terrorists” to remove the ambiguity on whether I mean “American right-wing” as an adjective or a noun (I meant it as an adjective to the noun terrorist.)

lettergram 6y ago
And BLM & ANTIFA use Facebook and Twitter? We banning those? It’s insane to say “because “terrorists” use Twitter, let’s shutdown Twitter” instead we remove them from the platform. Parlor was working with the FBI and was kicking people off their platform breaking their terms. It makes no sense what’s currently happening.
- ABeeSea 6y ago
  I’m looking through the @blklivesmatter Twitter account and I don’t see any calls to violence. Can you point me to one? https://mobile.twitter.com/Blklivesmatter https://mobile.twitter.com/Blklivesmatter
  - IronWolve 6y ago
    Twitter just removed a bunch of Antifa, after the last few days of violence, and twitter was not deplatformed. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1352399672594345985 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1352399672594345985
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    This seems like a bad faith and easily broken argument. Point me to a single call to violence from Trump. Even Twitter’s own blog post about his ban couldn’t name a single example. Meanwhile the amount of economic damage and deaths from BLM related riots is much much greater than the recent Capitol riot. Based on what the standards for “incitement are, everything relating to BLM should be deplatformed. The fact that it isn’t is telling and a clear indication of double standards.
    - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
      There is no law that requires MSNBC, Fox News, or Twitter, to be fair and balanced, and frankly I doubt one could be written that would pass first amendment scrutiny.
sleepysysadmin 6y ago
>These groups are already generating social conflict. De-platforming ISIS from Twitter and YouTube worked to stop their massive growth of new members through propaganda. There is no reason to believe it won’t also work on American right-wing and Christian terrorists. If I am following this correctly. The American right-wing(republicans) is equivalent to a terrorist organization that beheads people amongst other war crimes. If I may make a recommendation. Don't treat half your country as if they are terrorists.
- ABeeSea 6y ago
  You did read it wrong. “American right-wing” was an adjective on the noun “terrorist.” You interpreted “American right-wing” as a noun. I updated the language.
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kart23 6y ago
False equivalence. Look, I know where you're coming from. But 99% of ISIS members would be tried and convicted of terrorism because of hard evidence showing intent to kill. 99% of right-wing people are not going to be convicted of terrorism. Sure, there are some that are making serious threats and have shown intent to follow up on said threats, but believing in conspiracy theories and weird cults isn't a crime. I'm open to hearing evidence otherwise.
- ABeeSea 6y ago
  I never said the entire right-wing is terrorists. The militia groups and q-anon recruit right-wing Christians to extremist causes in the same way ISIS recruited right-wing Muslims to extremist causes. In both cases, they use propaganda and recruitment tactics to radicalize a segment of these groups. They even target the same demographic of disillusioned or aimless young to middle-aged men. The radicalized militias like oathkeepers, 3%ers, vanguard, proud boys, etc are serious threats.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > 99% of ISIS members would be tried and convicted of terrorism because of hard evidence showing intent to kill. 99% of right-wing people are not going to be convicted of terrorism ISIS being a foreign terrorist group, the U.S. can criminalise membership. Extremists being a domestic group, mere association can’t be criminalised [EDIT: is difficult to criminalise]. Only individual actions can be criminally pursued. Other than that legal distinction, the two groups (right-wing extremists, not all right wing Americans, and bona fide ISIS members, not everyone in ISIS-occupied territory) are comparable. They spread their misinformation similarly. And could be expected to be similarly curtailed by deplatforming.
  - ABeeSea 6y ago
    > ISIS being a foreign terrorist group, the U.S. can criminalise membership. Extremists being a domestic group, mere association can’t be criminalised. Only individual actions can be criminally pursued. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse suggested RICO’ing the militia groups today. The members could be criminally liable even if individual actions can’t be proven (similar to how the mob was taken down.) https://mobile.twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/1352382112742203392 https://mobile.twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/135238211274...

lettergram 6y ago

And BLM & ANTIFA use Facebook and Twitter? We banning those? It’s insane to say “because “terrorists” use Twitter, let’s shutdown Twitter” instead we remove them from the platform. Parlor was working with the FBI and was kicking people off their platform breaking their terms. It makes no sense what’s currently happening.

ABeeSea 6y ago
I’m looking through the @blklivesmatter Twitter account and I don’t see any calls to violence. Can you point me to one? https://mobile.twitter.com/Blklivesmatter https://mobile.twitter.com/Blklivesmatter
- IronWolve 6y ago
  Twitter just removed a bunch of Antifa, after the last few days of violence, and twitter was not deplatformed. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1352399672594345985 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1352399672594345985
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  This seems like a bad faith and easily broken argument. Point me to a single call to violence from Trump. Even Twitter’s own blog post about his ban couldn’t name a single example. Meanwhile the amount of economic damage and deaths from BLM related riots is much much greater than the recent Capitol riot. Based on what the standards for “incitement are, everything relating to BLM should be deplatformed. The fact that it isn’t is telling and a clear indication of double standards.
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    There is no law that requires MSNBC, Fox News, or Twitter, to be fair and balanced, and frankly I doubt one could be written that would pass first amendment scrutiny.

sleepysysadmin 6y ago

>These groups are already generating social conflict. De-platforming ISIS from Twitter and YouTube worked to stop their massive growth of new members through propaganda. There is no reason to believe it won’t also work on American right-wing and Christian terrorists. If I am following this correctly. The American right-wing(republicans) is equivalent to a terrorist organization that beheads people amongst other war crimes. If I may make a recommendation. Don't treat half your country as if they are terrorists.

ABeeSea 6y ago
You did read it wrong. “American right-wing” was an adjective on the noun “terrorist.” You interpreted “American right-wing” as a noun. I updated the language.
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kart23 6y ago

False equivalence. Look, I know where you're coming from. But 99% of ISIS members would be tried and convicted of terrorism because of hard evidence showing intent to kill. 99% of right-wing people are not going to be convicted of terrorism. Sure, there are some that are making serious threats and have shown intent to follow up on said threats, but believing in conspiracy theories and weird cults isn't a crime. I'm open to hearing evidence otherwise.

ABeeSea 6y ago
I never said the entire right-wing is terrorists. The militia groups and q-anon recruit right-wing Christians to extremist causes in the same way ISIS recruited right-wing Muslims to extremist causes. In both cases, they use propaganda and recruitment tactics to radicalize a segment of these groups. They even target the same demographic of disillusioned or aimless young to middle-aged men. The radicalized militias like oathkeepers, 3%ers, vanguard, proud boys, etc are serious threats.
JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> 99% of ISIS members would be tried and convicted of terrorism because of hard evidence showing intent to kill. 99% of right-wing people are not going to be convicted of terrorism ISIS being a foreign terrorist group, the U.S. can criminalise membership. Extremists being a domestic group, mere association can’t be criminalised [EDIT: is difficult to criminalise]. Only individual actions can be criminally pursued. Other than that legal distinction, the two groups (right-wing extremists, not all right wing Americans, and bona fide ISIS members, not everyone in ISIS-occupied territory) are comparable. They spread their misinformation similarly. And could be expected to be similarly curtailed by deplatforming.
- ABeeSea 6y ago
  > ISIS being a foreign terrorist group, the U.S. can criminalise membership. Extremists being a domestic group, mere association can’t be criminalised. Only individual actions can be criminally pursued. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse suggested RICO’ing the militia groups today. The members could be criminally liable even if individual actions can’t be proven (similar to how the mob was taken down.) https://mobile.twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/1352382112742203392 https://mobile.twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/135238211274...