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Clearly no agenda here. Twitter backing an illegitimate US backed tin pot dictator and denying the legitmately elected government a voice. But i guess, private

Clearly no agenda here. Twitter backing an illegitimate US backed tin pot dictator and denying the legitmately elected government a voice. But i guess, private company and all that, doesn't matter if what they're doing aligns completely with US military interests or so the argument goes.

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ardy42 6y ago
> Clearly no agenda here. Twitter backing an illegitimate US backed tin pot dictator and denying the legitmately elected government a voice. As far as I can tell, the group you're calling the "legitimately elected government" is that of the tin pot dictator that's run Venezuela into the ground and ran a sham election to cement its power: https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-congress-socialists-control-5226bbbcdeb19b07fd8b4e2e425b2759 https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-congress-socialists-con...: > Maduro’s allies swept legislative elections last month boycotted by the opposition and denounced as a sham by the U.S., the European Union and several other foreign governments. While the vote was marred by anemically low turnout, it nonetheless seemed to relegate into irrelevancy the U.S.-backed opposition led by lawmaker Juan Guaidó. The government there bribes voters with food handouts. Think of how bad things must be if you can be bribed with food: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55211149 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55211149: > The government may now be in control of the National Assembly but the low turnout was hardly a "win". > Sure, there were people who cast their vote, some still clinging to the man in power, others citing their democratic right as well as many more fearful of repercussions like losing food handouts if they didn't. > But for the most part, there's an atmosphere of resignation. Most Venezuelans I've spoken to this past week saw little point in these elections and decided there were better things to be doing on Sunday. > The vast queues at petrol stations rather than the polling stations explain what you need to know about politics here - that Venezuelans just want to survive another day and for politics to just go away.
- grawprog 6y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) https://www.mintpressnews.com/juan-guidos-latest-coup-attempt-venezuela-ends-was-a-massive-flop/262870/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/juan-guidos-latest-coup-attemp... https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21249203/venezuela-coup-jordan-goudreau-maduro-guaido-explain https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21249203/venezuela-coup-jordan...
  - ardy42 6y ago
    Is that a problem? I'm not so blinkered that I'd object to toppling a regime like Maduro's, and the main issue with this effort seems to be incompetence and proceeding with insufficient resources. BTW, Wikipedia considers MintPress News to be unreliable because it "publishes false or fabricated information": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#MintPress_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...
    - grawprog 6y ago
      >Is that a problem? I'm not so blinkered that I'd object to toppling a regime like Maduro's, Yes america believing it has the right to interfere anywhere in the world and police other countries to put in governments sympathetic to US interests is a problem. At least to everyone outside the US anyway.
      - ardy42 6y ago
        > Yes america believing it has the right to interfere anywhere in the world and police other countries to put in governments sympathetic to US interests is a problem. At least to everyone outside the US anyway. I'm not so sure about "everyone." Also, this principle of noninterference you seem to advocate is morally bankrupt, at least when taken to the extreme you seem to take it. Some very shitty, powerful people find noninterference in their affairs to be a very useful concept, and I deny they have any right to that. That's not to say interference is always justified or always done for good reasons, but it's definitely a valid option on the table.

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ardy42 6y ago

> Clearly no agenda here. Twitter backing an illegitimate US backed tin pot dictator and denying the legitmately elected government a voice. As far as I can tell, the group you're calling the "legitimately elected government" is that of the tin pot dictator that's run Venezuela into the ground and ran a sham election to cement its power: https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-congress-socialists-control-5226bbbcdeb19b07fd8b4e2e425b2759 https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-congress-socialists-con...: > Maduro’s allies swept legislative elections last month boycotted by the opposition and denounced as a sham by the U.S., the European Union and several other foreign governments. While the vote was marred by anemically low turnout, it nonetheless seemed to relegate into irrelevancy the U.S.-backed opposition led by lawmaker Juan Guaidó. The government there bribes voters with food handouts. Think of how bad things must be if you can be bribed with food: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55211149 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55211149: > The government may now be in control of the National Assembly but the low turnout was hardly a "win". > Sure, there were people who cast their vote, some still clinging to the man in power, others citing their democratic right as well as many more fearful of repercussions like losing food handouts if they didn't. > But for the most part, there's an atmosphere of resignation. Most Venezuelans I've spoken to this past week saw little point in these elections and decided there were better things to be doing on Sunday. > The vast queues at petrol stations rather than the polling stations explain what you need to know about politics here - that Venezuelans just want to survive another day and for politics to just go away.

grawprog 6y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) https://www.mintpressnews.com/juan-guidos-latest-coup-attempt-venezuela-ends-was-a-massive-flop/262870/ https://www.mintpressnews.com/juan-guidos-latest-coup-attemp... https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21249203/venezuela-coup-jordan-goudreau-maduro-guaido-explain https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21249203/venezuela-coup-jordan...
- ardy42 6y ago
  Is that a problem? I'm not so blinkered that I'd object to toppling a regime like Maduro's, and the main issue with this effort seems to be incompetence and proceeding with insufficient resources. BTW, Wikipedia considers MintPress News to be unreliable because it "publishes false or fabricated information": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#MintPress_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...
  - grawprog 6y ago
    >Is that a problem? I'm not so blinkered that I'd object to toppling a regime like Maduro's, Yes america believing it has the right to interfere anywhere in the world and police other countries to put in governments sympathetic to US interests is a problem. At least to everyone outside the US anyway.
    - ardy42 6y ago
      > Yes america believing it has the right to interfere anywhere in the world and police other countries to put in governments sympathetic to US interests is a problem. At least to everyone outside the US anyway. I'm not so sure about "everyone." Also, this principle of noninterference you seem to advocate is morally bankrupt, at least when taken to the extreme you seem to take it. Some very shitty, powerful people find noninterference in their affairs to be a very useful concept, and I deny they have any right to that. That's not to say interference is always justified or always done for good reasons, but it's definitely a valid option on the table.