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>Apple spearheaded the modern browser with Safari... >As for Mobile Safari, it took several years for Android browsers to come close... >suggested to develope

>Apple spearheaded the modern browser with Safari... >As for Mobile Safari, it took several years for Android browsers to come close... >suggested to developers they make their own web apps in lack of a native SDK, most dissed those... >Safari is not exactly some bad browser holding those apps back... >do you see many people watching Netflix on Android Chrome... Absolutely none of these points are arguments against having the option to have an alternative browser rendering engine. Not sure why you think they are.

coldtea 6y ago
>Absolutely none of these points are arguments against having the option to have an alternative browser rendering engine. Not sure why you think they are. Not sure why you think they were intended to be. Those weren't "arguments against having the option to have an alternative browser rendering engine". Those were arguments about "Apple not having an alternative rendering engine" is not about sabotaging some imaginary web app revolution, just about Safari having its own timeline and priorities. Regarding that, not how there's no such web-over-native-app trend in Android either, where Chrome IS available. Most still prefer native apps. If you think, you could also think them as "arguments not against, but as to why it's no big deal to not have an alternative browser rendering engine".
- have_faith 6y ago
  I don't think this conversation is going anywhere to be honest. Maybe I misinterpreted your point. My central point was I see no reason for Apple to disallow altnernative browsers (not just shells around webkit) other than to gatekeep. Your points about safari being better or users not using a PWA for netflix don't seem to relate to this I don't think. I think Apple is only concerned about staying in control with regards to what users can install on their devices. I don't think they want other browsers to be genuine alternatives to iOS safari so they've essentially neutered the competition. I also think you flippantly dismissed that a very large portion of the world is mobile first (not just the third world anymore) and this to me makes having the choice even more important.

coldtea 6y ago

>Absolutely none of these points are arguments against having the option to have an alternative browser rendering engine. Not sure why you think they are. Not sure why you think they were intended to be. Those weren't "arguments against having the option to have an alternative browser rendering engine". Those were arguments about "Apple not having an alternative rendering engine" is not about sabotaging some imaginary web app revolution, just about Safari having its own timeline and priorities. Regarding that, not how there's no such web-over-native-app trend in Android either, where Chrome IS available. Most still prefer native apps. If you think, you could also think them as "arguments not against, but as to why it's no big deal to not have an alternative browser rendering engine".

have_faith 6y ago
I don't think this conversation is going anywhere to be honest. Maybe I misinterpreted your point. My central point was I see no reason for Apple to disallow altnernative browsers (not just shells around webkit) other than to gatekeep. Your points about safari being better or users not using a PWA for netflix don't seem to relate to this I don't think. I think Apple is only concerned about staying in control with regards to what users can install on their devices. I don't think they want other browsers to be genuine alternatives to iOS safari so they've essentially neutered the competition. I also think you flippantly dismissed that a very large portion of the world is mobile first (not just the third world anymore) and this to me makes having the choice even more important.