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There's a partial list of the people the Chinese government has announced sanctions on here: https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2535_6654

There's a partial list of the people the Chinese government has announced sanctions on here: https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2535_665405/t1847554.shtml https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/25... It's unsurprising to see firebrands like Bannon on the list, but Pottinger seemed like a relatively middle of the road hawk. The worrying part is that the announcement not only bans these people from entering China, but their family members too - which means it goes further than the recent sanctions the US placed on a few CCP officials. The vagueness around "companies and institutions associated with them" also being banned really seems to up the pressure on Americans even outside of politics to toe the line. Doesn't really bode well for improved relations in the Biden administration.

dirtyid 6y ago
Pottinger is the architect of current China containment policies that's fairly coherent if not for Trump going off script. There's likely continuity going into Biden's China policy. He's arguably more dangerous to Chinese interest than Pompeo. I don't think there's going to be much movement towards improving relations until Biden sorts US out for a couple years and there's some semblance of where Trump/Pompeo/Hawks/Republican party is heading for next election. Sanctioning Pompeo probably a gift for his presidential aspirations anyway. Otherwise it looks pretty reciprocal, China doesn't have SWIFT levers, so have to inconvenience another way.
- beerandt 6y ago
  It's pretty clear to me that China intends for it to be, and look like, an escalation, even if ambiguously so. They're posturing on the new admin, knowing that the Whitehouse really doesn't want to escalate. A China flex without a comparable US (escalated) response would be huge for China's superpower aspirations right now. If it backfires, then China can fall back to the position that they intended it to be reciprocal in order to save face.
  - dirtyid 6y ago
    A couple factors: Wait until "doomsday clown" Pompeo out of the office, to mitigate damage. Biden invited Taiwan's "ambassador" to inauguration, a first. I don't know which event proceeds what, but this might call for separate response. There's no space for face-saving on Taiwan redline. Off to a rough start.
redis_mlc 6y ago
> The worrying part is that the announcement not only bans these people from entering China, but their family members too I can tell from the way you wrote your post that you don't really understand the issue. The CCP is doing an automatic retaliation against the US, because that's what governments do. But Chinese citizens laugh over these announcements, because CCP members want to send their children to US universities, their adult family members to safe haven countries, and launder their bribes using US real estate. And US citizens don't want or need any of that from China. :) Xi's immediate family live in Canada and Australia, not China, because they're not safe in China. Let that sink in for a minute, and you will understand what totalitarianism means.

dirtyid 6y ago

Pottinger is the architect of current China containment policies that's fairly coherent if not for Trump going off script. There's likely continuity going into Biden's China policy. He's arguably more dangerous to Chinese interest than Pompeo. I don't think there's going to be much movement towards improving relations until Biden sorts US out for a couple years and there's some semblance of where Trump/Pompeo/Hawks/Republican party is heading for next election. Sanctioning Pompeo probably a gift for his presidential aspirations anyway. Otherwise it looks pretty reciprocal, China doesn't have SWIFT levers, so have to inconvenience another way.

beerandt 6y ago
It's pretty clear to me that China intends for it to be, and look like, an escalation, even if ambiguously so. They're posturing on the new admin, knowing that the Whitehouse really doesn't want to escalate. A China flex without a comparable US (escalated) response would be huge for China's superpower aspirations right now. If it backfires, then China can fall back to the position that they intended it to be reciprocal in order to save face.
- dirtyid 6y ago
  A couple factors: Wait until "doomsday clown" Pompeo out of the office, to mitigate damage. Biden invited Taiwan's "ambassador" to inauguration, a first. I don't know which event proceeds what, but this might call for separate response. There's no space for face-saving on Taiwan redline. Off to a rough start.

redis_mlc 6y ago

> The worrying part is that the announcement not only bans these people from entering China, but their family members too I can tell from the way you wrote your post that you don't really understand the issue. The CCP is doing an automatic retaliation against the US, because that's what governments do. But Chinese citizens laugh over these announcements, because CCP members want to send their children to US universities, their adult family members to safe haven countries, and launder their bribes using US real estate. And US citizens don't want or need any of that from China. :) Xi's immediate family live in Canada and Australia, not China, because they're not safe in China. Let that sink in for a minute, and you will understand what totalitarianism means.