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From reading the comments in the discussion here, I'm curious why the f-string syntax is so all-over-the-place? - f"{foo}" uses the default format - f"{foo

From reading the comments in the discussion here, I'm curious why the f-string syntax is so all-over-the-place? - f"{foo}" uses the default format - f"{foo!r}" uses repr to format - f"{foo=}" uses a special-cased debugging introspection - f"{foo:formatstr}" uses the default format with a custom format string - f"{foo:{bar}}" uses a dynamic format string It seems like `!r` and `=` should have been implemented with `:r` and `:=` instead?

pansa2 6y ago
Yeah, there seem to be a number of special cases. The rules for the trailing `=` case are particularly complicated: {x=} -> "x="+repr(x) {x=:.2f} -> "x="+format(x, ".2f") {x=:} -> "x="+format(x, "") {x=:!s:20} -> "x="+format(str(x), "20") {x=:!r:20} -> "x="+format(repr(x), "20") https://bugs.python.org/msg341732 https://bugs.python.org/msg341732
matmann2001 6y ago
What if your format string started with "r" or "=", or was simply just one of those characters?
dragonwriter 6y ago
!r is one of a class of conversion flags, others are !a which uses ascii(), !s which uses str(). “=” in the format-spec (the thing that comes after the “:”) is the numeric padding alignment specifier (other alignment specifiers are left “<”, right “>”, and center “^”.)
- CGamesPlay 6y ago
  Oh, neat, so I can stack them: foo = 'foo' print(f"{foo=!r:>20}") print(f"{foo.upper()=!r:>20}") The `=` you pointed out is a special case, however, and not part of the alignment specification. Sadly, this means that the above snippet is not as nicely formatted as I'd like. Still, it does seem useful for these cases: print(f"{x=:.2f} {dx=:.2f} {dot_product=:.4f}")
hannibalhorn 6y ago
You really have to understand how it's translated into actual code, and of course it's Python, so there's some legacy syntax to take into account. A `:` just means call format(lhs, rhs), for example. You can also actually combine those syntaxes - I often use f"{foo:%Y-%m-%d!r}" to get a quoted, properly escaped date in a specific format, for example.

pansa2 6y ago

Yeah, there seem to be a number of special cases. The rules for the trailing `=` case are particularly complicated: {x=} -> "x="+repr(x) {x=:.2f} -> "x="+format(x, ".2f") {x=:} -> "x="+format(x, "") {x=:!s:20} -> "x="+format(str(x), "20") {x=:!r:20} -> "x="+format(repr(x), "20") https://bugs.python.org/msg341732 https://bugs.python.org/msg341732

matmann2001 6y ago

What if your format string started with "r" or "=", or was simply just one of those characters?

dragonwriter 6y ago

!r is one of a class of conversion flags, others are !a which uses ascii(), !s which uses str(). “=” in the format-spec (the thing that comes after the “:”) is the numeric padding alignment specifier (other alignment specifiers are left “<”, right “>”, and center “^”.)

CGamesPlay 6y ago
Oh, neat, so I can stack them: foo = 'foo' print(f"{foo=!r:>20}") print(f"{foo.upper()=!r:>20}") The `=` you pointed out is a special case, however, and not part of the alignment specification. Sadly, this means that the above snippet is not as nicely formatted as I'd like. Still, it does seem useful for these cases: print(f"{x=:.2f} {dx=:.2f} {dot_product=:.4f}")

hannibalhorn 6y ago

You really have to understand how it's translated into actual code, and of course it's Python, so there's some legacy syntax to take into account. A `:` just means call format(lhs, rhs), for example. You can also actually combine those syntaxes - I often use f"{foo:%Y-%m-%d!r}" to get a quoted, properly escaped date in a specific format, for example.