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Got a kick out of one of the bugzilla links: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34572 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34572 "Use native

Got a kick out of one of the bugzilla links: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34572 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34572 "Use native context menus on Mac OS" "Opened 21 years ago"

bombcar 6y ago
Wow - that bug can now legally drink in all 50 states!
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Not until April 5th.
- nichos 6y ago
  But it can go to war and get married the past 3 years!
partlysean 6y ago
It’s little things like this that keep me from using Firefox. Context menus, various micro-interactions, visual design decisions—they all feel so non-native.
- cle 6y ago
  I don't really care much about the native menus, but the non-native scrolling in Firefox drives me nuts. Granted neither of these are deal breakers for me. I don't use Firefox b/c of pretty context menus.
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
  I'm using firefox on macos right now and I can't see what the issue is. The the menus show up in the main top bar like every other app. Am I missing something?
  - ianlevesque 6y ago
    Yes.
  - dstaley 6y ago
    Pretty sure this bug is about the right-click menu.
    - SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
      I just checked again and the firefox one looks so close to the native right click that I can hardly tell the difference other than it not supporting dark mode
      - dstaley 6y ago
        Firefox's engineers have done a remarkable job at trying to mimic the native context menu as much as possible, but it's not a 100% match (as evidenced by your discovery that it doesn't support dark mode). There have also been times over the past two decades where macOS updated something about the context menu that then make the Firefox one not match. The main point is that it really should just be a native menu; they shouldn't be spending time trying to make it match 100%.
  - bzb6 6y ago
    I know of a lot of people like that, when presented with very illogical UI decisions, or controls that look absolutely nothing like the rest of the system, they just cannot see what the issue is. I wonder if it’s poor eyesight, lack of attention, or whatever.
    - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
      And thanks to the 'native ui' purists which you can never satisfy, now we are drowning in webapps and electron. How native does thst feel?
    - wtetzner 6y ago
      I suspect it’s that they don’t care. It’s not an issue for them because they don’t use the missing native functionality anyway. Also, if you frequently use cross platform software on multiple platforms, it’s possible consistency within the app is more important than consistently with the OS.
- afandian 6y ago
  What else do you use? Last time I used Chrome they pretty much reimplemented everything from buttons to modal sheets.
  - partlysean 6y ago
    Safari for all my personal and work usage. I do pop into Chrome and Firefox to perform browser QA, but Safari is my daily driver.
- hrktb 6y ago
  I feel your pain. But also ended up completely moving out of most "native" tools for a reason or another (from TextMate to VSCode, Mail to Gmail tab, FaceTime to Skype/Meet etc.). At this point deep platform integration looks more like exceptions than the norm, for the better or worse. There are things that I kind of hate in a lot of Apple product (Safari included), which make Firefox's approach a decent tradeoff.
- Tagbert 6y ago
  There are so many things that are different between different apps and different OS and I’ve used many of them. Minor variations like this are just to be expected and I don’t feel thrown when I see something different.
mlindner 6y ago
Lol wow. When I first read that bug when I read the article my brain automatically translated that to "21 days ago" as it viewed "21 years" to be impossible.
sedatk 6y ago
Aesthetics aside, is there anything Firefox's context menu lacks because it's non-native? Like accessibility features and such?
- dsjoerg 6y ago
  Speech. and the whole Services ecosystem.
- bobbylarrybobby 6y ago
  Unlike native right click menus, Firefox's don't let you type to select an option after right clicking. Right clicking text in Firefox also displays a different set of options from the standard textual right click menu which is pretty annoying if you're used to the standard one that appears in literally every other app (for instance, the native one lets you right click a misspelled word to select a correction). This is one of those rare instances of "no, it's not just different, it's actually much worse".
- pfranz 6y ago
  Look Up "[selection]" constantly bugs me. I constantly use it to define words. I feel like there are others that come up periodically. It sounds pedantic, but it's enough of a pain point that I'm itching to switch browsers.

bombcar 6y ago

Wow - that bug can now legally drink in all 50 states!

saagarjha 6y ago
Not until April 5th.
nichos 6y ago
But it can go to war and get married the past 3 years!

partlysean 6y ago

It’s little things like this that keep me from using Firefox. Context menus, various micro-interactions, visual design decisions—they all feel so non-native.

cle 6y ago
I don't really care much about the native menus, but the non-native scrolling in Firefox drives me nuts. Granted neither of these are deal breakers for me. I don't use Firefox b/c of pretty context menus.
SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
I'm using firefox on macos right now and I can't see what the issue is. The the menus show up in the main top bar like every other app. Am I missing something?
- ianlevesque 6y ago
  Yes.
- dstaley 6y ago
  Pretty sure this bug is about the right-click menu.
  - SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
    I just checked again and the firefox one looks so close to the native right click that I can hardly tell the difference other than it not supporting dark mode
    - dstaley 6y ago
      Firefox's engineers have done a remarkable job at trying to mimic the native context menu as much as possible, but it's not a 100% match (as evidenced by your discovery that it doesn't support dark mode). There have also been times over the past two decades where macOS updated something about the context menu that then make the Firefox one not match. The main point is that it really should just be a native menu; they shouldn't be spending time trying to make it match 100%.
- bzb6 6y ago
  I know of a lot of people like that, when presented with very illogical UI decisions, or controls that look absolutely nothing like the rest of the system, they just cannot see what the issue is. I wonder if it’s poor eyesight, lack of attention, or whatever.
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    And thanks to the 'native ui' purists which you can never satisfy, now we are drowning in webapps and electron. How native does thst feel?
  - wtetzner 6y ago
    I suspect it’s that they don’t care. It’s not an issue for them because they don’t use the missing native functionality anyway. Also, if you frequently use cross platform software on multiple platforms, it’s possible consistency within the app is more important than consistently with the OS.
afandian 6y ago
What else do you use? Last time I used Chrome they pretty much reimplemented everything from buttons to modal sheets.
- partlysean 6y ago
  Safari for all my personal and work usage. I do pop into Chrome and Firefox to perform browser QA, but Safari is my daily driver.
hrktb 6y ago
I feel your pain. But also ended up completely moving out of most "native" tools for a reason or another (from TextMate to VSCode, Mail to Gmail tab, FaceTime to Skype/Meet etc.). At this point deep platform integration looks more like exceptions than the norm, for the better or worse. There are things that I kind of hate in a lot of Apple product (Safari included), which make Firefox's approach a decent tradeoff.
Tagbert 6y ago
There are so many things that are different between different apps and different OS and I’ve used many of them. Minor variations like this are just to be expected and I don’t feel thrown when I see something different.

mlindner 6y ago

Lol wow. When I first read that bug when I read the article my brain automatically translated that to "21 days ago" as it viewed "21 years" to be impossible.

sedatk 6y ago

Aesthetics aside, is there anything Firefox's context menu lacks because it's non-native? Like accessibility features and such?

dsjoerg 6y ago
Speech. and the whole Services ecosystem.
bobbylarrybobby 6y ago
Unlike native right click menus, Firefox's don't let you type to select an option after right clicking. Right clicking text in Firefox also displays a different set of options from the standard textual right click menu which is pretty annoying if you're used to the standard one that appears in literally every other app (for instance, the native one lets you right click a misspelled word to select a correction). This is one of those rare instances of "no, it's not just different, it's actually much worse".
pfranz 6y ago
Look Up "[selection]" constantly bugs me. I constantly use it to define words. I feel like there are others that come up periodically. It sounds pedantic, but it's enough of a pain point that I'm itching to switch browsers.