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>I hope intel and to a lesser extend AMD are looking at this thing red-faced. But they will need some time to play catch-up. I think it raised their eyebrows a

>I hope intel and to a lesser extend AMD are looking at this thing red-faced. But they will need some time to play catch-up. I think it raised their eyebrows a bit, but don't agree that they need some time to play catch-up. Bottom line is the vast majority of Intel and AMD chips are running Windows. You can't even buy Windows 10 for an ARM processor. Microsoft flirted with the idea at one point, but has pretty much abandoned it. So why would Intel or AMD market ARM chips at all when Microsoft isn't supporting them at all? If you are talking about servers that is a different story (since lots of servers run Linux). AMD already made a server with an ARM processor, the latest "Opteron" series was ARM https://www.amd.com/en/amd-opteron-a1100 https://www.amd.com/en/amd-opteron-a1100 These came out in 2016 and don't think they sold nearly as well as Epyc has. Taking a second look at offering ARM for the datacenter in the fture might not be a bad idea for AMD though.

swiftcoder 6y ago
Their catch-up need not be in the form of an ARM chip. If they can get an x86-compatible chip to match the M1's performance at with similar thermals/battery, that's even better.
iSnow 6y ago
I wasn't talking about ARM chips in particular, but chips with great power management, chips that are able to pull great performance if it is required without hitting the thermal envelope instantly. Chips with a reasonably good GPU that doesn't exacerbate the thermal problems. The M1 isn't a Xeon in disguise, it has its limitations. But for the sub-notebook form factor, it's in its own class and freaking intel can't match it. And they've been treading water since about 6y now. Also: me personally, I don't care about Windows. I want to run Linux. I understand that's a niche market, but we are writing in a Linux thread, so...

swiftcoder 6y ago

Their catch-up need not be in the form of an ARM chip. If they can get an x86-compatible chip to match the M1's performance at with similar thermals/battery, that's even better.

iSnow 6y ago

I wasn't talking about ARM chips in particular, but chips with great power management, chips that are able to pull great performance if it is required without hitting the thermal envelope instantly. Chips with a reasonably good GPU that doesn't exacerbate the thermal problems. The M1 isn't a Xeon in disguise, it has its limitations. But for the sub-notebook form factor, it's in its own class and freaking intel can't match it. And they've been treading water since about 6y now. Also: me personally, I don't care about Windows. I want to run Linux. I understand that's a niche market, but we are writing in a Linux thread, so...