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I voted for Trump because his policies more closely align with my beliefs than any other candidate on my ballot. I am very disappointed in his response to the e

I voted for Trump because his policies more closely align with my beliefs than any other candidate on my ballot. I am very disappointed in his response to the election results after it was clear there wasn't proof of enough fraud to change the result, and I'm very disappointed in the pardons.

augustt 6y ago
He telegraphed his intent to claim the election was rigged way before it happened so... I guess people just learn at different rates. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/19/upshot/trump-complete-insult-list.html#2020-election https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/19/upshot/trump-...
fny 6y ago
Please stop down voting posts like this. If we want HN to remain a welcome space for civil discourse for everyone, we need to respect other people's candid statements. Remember, Trump won 47% of the popular vote which likely includes a large number of HNers. We should not alienate those people.
- randylahey 6y ago
  People who hold reprehensible ideas or support those who do, should be held to task, no matter how many of them there are.
  - zzleeper 6y ago
    I am op (asked the question) and even though I don't agree with throwaway, I appreciate him having the time to respond (so I upvoted.earlier to try to offset the downvotes). Im also downvoted btw, so this goes both ways.
  - VLM 6y ago
    Before the era of identity politics that was virtuous, not so much in an identity politics era.
  - PoignardAzur 6y ago
    This is ridiculous. How is graying out a comment on Hacker News "holding to task" anyone? The only result this achieves is telling these people with "reprehensible ideas" that they need to take their discussion elsewhere and avoid any communication with people who don't share their opinion. This is the opposite of productive.
- xpe 6y ago
  I agree. But how do we get there? In my view, until Hacker News has a mechanism to capture different kinds of feedback; e.g.: 1. comment is well-written (even if I disagree) 2. comment is civil (even if not well-written and/or I disagree) we're going to have "lump all, some, or none of these factors together" voting.
- x1ph0z 6y ago
  Not now, not ever. I will always call out those that supported racism, bigotry, violence and Trump's admin did all that. The voice and platform he gave to the most deplorable people, has made me and others lose faith in all Americans.
- supernintendo 6y ago
  Trump supporters have done nothing but alienate and engage in acts of harassment and violence against non-white folks, religious minorities and members of the LGBTQ community for the past 4-5 years. Should we be civil toward members of the KKK as well? Why is it always on us to be nice to people who hate us and want us dead?
  - barbacoa 6y ago
    Just like how you've been brainwashed by the TV into thinking the "others" are evil, trump people are brainwashed into thinking you hate them and want them dead. Both sides see themselves as the victim and the others as the attacker. >Why is it always on us to be nice to people who hate us and want us dead? Do you see how this is perpetuating the problem?
    - supernintendo 6y ago
      Go read the comment section of any Fox News or Breitbart article about trans people. Go see what people on conservative YouTube channels or /r/conservative or 4chan’s /pol/ have to say about us. How am I supposed to engage with people (including some members of my own family) who refuse to treat me with basic respect? How am I supposed to have a civil conversation with people who call me a disgusting, mentally ill tranny faggot to my face? This “both sides” talking point is naive, intellectually lazy bullshit peddled by people who have no interest in hearing the struggles of people who have to suffer this abuse. I’ve been emotionally and physically bullied my whole life by these people. I’m sick of it. Leave me the fuck alone.
    - rirarobo 6y ago
      I am from the Deep South. I have evangelical family members who have disowned others because of their beliefs. Who wish for the Kingdom of God to be realized, so that the non-believers can spend eternity in suffering. I grew up with peers who told me I would burn in hell for believing in evolution. Peers from middle class backgrounds with financial security, who then worry about "white genocide" and the "great replacement". I have not been brainwashed by the TV to think these types of people are evil. I know them intimately. I know that they are multifaceted human beings, capable of love, but also capable of hate and great harm. I have family members that do believe other races are below them, aunts and uncles old enough to have fought against civil rights and desegregation. Much like Trump, who was 22 when MLK was assassinated. Grandparents who mutter about the war of northern aggression. They are still alive today, there are millions of people like them, and they vote. They push real policies that present a real threat to many Americans. I have moved away from the South, and have new friends and family, who have directly been affected by the Muslim Ban, changes to immigration policy, and the rhetoric of Trump and his supporters these past four years. This is real harm. "Both sides" are not the same, and there are real victims of such bigotry. To deny this reality perpetuates these problems.
- diveanon 6y ago
  We absolutely should alienate those people. People who support racism, bigotry, and outright fascism have no place in civil society.
- bradleyjg 6y ago
  I didn’t downvote in this case but I am highly likely to downvote anything that comes from an account called throwaway* unless it contains some whistleblowing info or similar. If you can’t stand by your opinions even with a pseudonym because you are afraid of losing fake internet points then no one needs to see what you have to say.
- mindslight 6y ago
  "I invested with Bernie Madoff because his returns matched my investment goals". Yes, knowing why someone got conned is itself valuable information. But standing on its own, it reads as an endorsement.
- rat87 6y ago
  But we need to teach them the errors of their ways or we will see more tragedies There was literally no good reason to vote for Trump regardless of views (to be fair op didn't say he voted for Trump)
  - deleted 6y ago
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diveanon 6y ago
I hope you are disappointed in yourself for having beliefs that align with a fascist who incited an insurrection against the United States.
- 1024core 6y ago
  Not that disappointed, I bet. Same old story. "I'm shocked, shocked that there's gambling going on!"
  - diveanon 6y ago
    Don't forget, this is a time for unity! I'm not forgetting about the last 4 years anytime soon. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring and rationalizing intolerance.

augustt 6y ago

He telegraphed his intent to claim the election was rigged way before it happened so... I guess people just learn at different rates. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/19/upshot/trump-complete-insult-list.html#2020-election https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/19/upshot/trump-...

fny 6y ago

Please stop down voting posts like this. If we want HN to remain a welcome space for civil discourse for everyone, we need to respect other people's candid statements. Remember, Trump won 47% of the popular vote which likely includes a large number of HNers. We should not alienate those people.

randylahey 6y ago
People who hold reprehensible ideas or support those who do, should be held to task, no matter how many of them there are.
- zzleeper 6y ago
  I am op (asked the question) and even though I don't agree with throwaway, I appreciate him having the time to respond (so I upvoted.earlier to try to offset the downvotes). Im also downvoted btw, so this goes both ways.
- VLM 6y ago
  Before the era of identity politics that was virtuous, not so much in an identity politics era.
- PoignardAzur 6y ago
  This is ridiculous. How is graying out a comment on Hacker News "holding to task" anyone? The only result this achieves is telling these people with "reprehensible ideas" that they need to take their discussion elsewhere and avoid any communication with people who don't share their opinion. This is the opposite of productive.
xpe 6y ago
I agree. But how do we get there? In my view, until Hacker News has a mechanism to capture different kinds of feedback; e.g.: 1. comment is well-written (even if I disagree) 2. comment is civil (even if not well-written and/or I disagree) we're going to have "lump all, some, or none of these factors together" voting.
x1ph0z 6y ago
Not now, not ever. I will always call out those that supported racism, bigotry, violence and Trump's admin did all that. The voice and platform he gave to the most deplorable people, has made me and others lose faith in all Americans.
supernintendo 6y ago
Trump supporters have done nothing but alienate and engage in acts of harassment and violence against non-white folks, religious minorities and members of the LGBTQ community for the past 4-5 years. Should we be civil toward members of the KKK as well? Why is it always on us to be nice to people who hate us and want us dead?
- barbacoa 6y ago
  Just like how you've been brainwashed by the TV into thinking the "others" are evil, trump people are brainwashed into thinking you hate them and want them dead. Both sides see themselves as the victim and the others as the attacker. >Why is it always on us to be nice to people who hate us and want us dead? Do you see how this is perpetuating the problem?
  - supernintendo 6y ago
    Go read the comment section of any Fox News or Breitbart article about trans people. Go see what people on conservative YouTube channels or /r/conservative or 4chan’s /pol/ have to say about us. How am I supposed to engage with people (including some members of my own family) who refuse to treat me with basic respect? How am I supposed to have a civil conversation with people who call me a disgusting, mentally ill tranny faggot to my face? This “both sides” talking point is naive, intellectually lazy bullshit peddled by people who have no interest in hearing the struggles of people who have to suffer this abuse. I’ve been emotionally and physically bullied my whole life by these people. I’m sick of it. Leave me the fuck alone.
  - rirarobo 6y ago
    I am from the Deep South. I have evangelical family members who have disowned others because of their beliefs. Who wish for the Kingdom of God to be realized, so that the non-believers can spend eternity in suffering. I grew up with peers who told me I would burn in hell for believing in evolution. Peers from middle class backgrounds with financial security, who then worry about "white genocide" and the "great replacement". I have not been brainwashed by the TV to think these types of people are evil. I know them intimately. I know that they are multifaceted human beings, capable of love, but also capable of hate and great harm. I have family members that do believe other races are below them, aunts and uncles old enough to have fought against civil rights and desegregation. Much like Trump, who was 22 when MLK was assassinated. Grandparents who mutter about the war of northern aggression. They are still alive today, there are millions of people like them, and they vote. They push real policies that present a real threat to many Americans. I have moved away from the South, and have new friends and family, who have directly been affected by the Muslim Ban, changes to immigration policy, and the rhetoric of Trump and his supporters these past four years. This is real harm. "Both sides" are not the same, and there are real victims of such bigotry. To deny this reality perpetuates these problems.
diveanon 6y ago
We absolutely should alienate those people. People who support racism, bigotry, and outright fascism have no place in civil society.
bradleyjg 6y ago
I didn’t downvote in this case but I am highly likely to downvote anything that comes from an account called throwaway* unless it contains some whistleblowing info or similar. If you can’t stand by your opinions even with a pseudonym because you are afraid of losing fake internet points then no one needs to see what you have to say.
mindslight 6y ago
"I invested with Bernie Madoff because his returns matched my investment goals". Yes, knowing why someone got conned is itself valuable information. But standing on its own, it reads as an endorsement.
rat87 6y ago
But we need to teach them the errors of their ways or we will see more tragedies There was literally no good reason to vote for Trump regardless of views (to be fair op didn't say he voted for Trump)
- deleted 6y ago
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diveanon 6y ago

I hope you are disappointed in yourself for having beliefs that align with a fascist who incited an insurrection against the United States.

1024core 6y ago
Not that disappointed, I bet. Same old story. "I'm shocked, shocked that there's gambling going on!"
- diveanon 6y ago
  Don't forget, this is a time for unity! I'm not forgetting about the last 4 years anytime soon. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring and rationalizing intolerance.